Jesus is God

[JudgeRightly]

YOU, the name-calling mocker who acts like a hypocrite have been defeated by JW, go lick your wounds.

Clete Here's your answer.

 

[Clete]

The Bible teaches that people are not of the faith if they won't accept that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God.
Your requirements for who you accept as a Christian are different than the Bible's requirements.

You're quite wrong on this point. I spent a great deal of time thinking through, discussing, debating, etc. all of these points both here on TOL and elsewhere. The diety of Christ is quite central to the gospel. Foundational in fact.
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"The "kinsman redeemer" concept explains why the Lord Jesus Christ must be God, to be qualified to redeem.

According to the Old Testament laws regarding punishment and retribution for a crime(sin), when one was assaulted, robbed, murdered...., the responsibility to bring the criminal to justice and to protect the lives/property of the relatives fell to the nearest "kinsman". This responsibility/obligation was referred to as "redeeming", and the man who had this role was called a "redeemer"('goel' in Hebrew). Thus, the LORD God would use this object lesson to teach that redemption(to buy back/release for the purpose of setting free) is provided by a kinsman redeemer. The kinsman redeemer is someone who is qualified to execute the law of redemption-he is qualified to pay the price of debt. This kinsman redeemer of the Old Testament was a "type" of the Lord Jesus Christ as the Redeemer. There were 4 requirements for redemption, one being:

The redeemer must not be compromised by his predicament, i.e., the redeemer must be free from that which caused the need for redemption. Thus, the redeemer could not redeem himself. No slave, for example, could redeem another slave. A person in bondage was in no position to redeem another. This explains the virgin conception. This REQUIRES that the redeemer be God. The Lord Jesus Christ "...knew no sin...."(2 Cor. 5:21 KJV-see also 1 John 3:5 KJV, 1 Peter 2:22 KJV, Hebrews 4:15 KJV , John 8:46 KJV, Exodus 12:5 KJV="YOUR LAMB SHALL BE WITHOUT BLEMISH(emphasis mine)". Only God fits this REQUIREMENT." - John W​

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^"Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” - Jesus
“Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was,I AM.” - Jesus​

It is not up to you to judge whether I am to be considered a believer or not based on extra-Biblical doctrine.

I do not judge on anything extra-biblical as this post and indeed this entire thread stands as witness.

It seems silly to me that you would contradict yourself in the points you claim people must believe.
You should have stuck to what the Bible teaches so you wouldn't have contradicted yourself.

:chuckle:

You're just so delutional. Is there anyone who takes you seriously?

 

[Clete]

Loooool

You believed you were so high and mighty with your knowledge but you have been shamed and embarrassed in only a few posts with me. You are my new record holder at how quick someone ignore the questions and points I make as they are unanswerable as they break your false biblical understanding. You have the same flawed heart as the hypocritical Jews. Just as they looked for excuses and reasons to kill Jesus as he embarrassed them you have looked for reasons and excuses to kill the conversation with me as you are embarrassed by the points I make and you being unable to refute them. The truth apparently is meant to always prevail, yet in your case "you don't debate theology with people you claim are cultists", Jesus himself was a cultist in his day by today's definition of a cult, you are ignorant of many things.

Points I have made that are too difficult for you to handle and which I have refuted:

1) Jesus is not the one speaking in Rev 1:8 as the context shows he is separate from that one by Rev 1:4,5 this is irrefutable, no amount of evidence to the contrary that seems to show Jesus as "the one coming" or as the A&O will unwrite John written words in Rev 1:4,5. One has to tackle the contradiction head on to deal with it. You haven't even given an answer to this question but claim its pre-supposed and yet are unable to explain why its pre-supposed, you simply cannot explain why Jesus is separate from "the one who is, was and is coming" as you want and need him to be "the one who is, was and is coming"

2) You believe "root of David" somehow proves Jesus is God as you wrongly believe the word "root" has something to Jesus being the beginning of David line (I'm not even sure what you believe the root symbolizes as you don't even explain you positions but rather leave it to me to guess them) or the start of his house as its "roots". As I've said before, anyone with a good and basic understanding of the bible knows the expression of Jesus being the "root of David" has nothing to do with David coming from Jesus, but much to the contrary, is an expression that Jesus is David's descendant. Even on the first googled result on a credible trinitarian website they give the following definition, "Root here means stock, family, descendant, hence, "the Root of David" is that which descended from David, not that from which David descended. Jesus Christ in His human nature and family connections was a descendant of David, a member of his family." (https://www.biblestudytools.com/dict...david-root-of/). The only place I have seen people claim "root of David" shows Jesus is God are from non-scholarly self-made websites or blogs where the people like yourself have no clue what the biblical language and metaphorical language means but read it on face-value.

3) The one who is was and is to come judges (Rev 16:5) thus Jesus is that one according to John 5:21,22. This was a fallacious argument that relied on the ignorance of believing the judging in Rev 16:5 and John 5:21 refer to the same judgment when they do not. Even if the "one who is, was and is coming" judges it still doesn't refer to Jesus and can still refer to the Father as the Father is the ultimate judge despite appointing Jesus as a judge, as it is the Father who judges through his son, this is clear according to Acts 17:31, "..Because he [the Father] has set a day on which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed".

4) The title "first and last" (F&L) and the title "Alpha and Omega" (A&O) are not synonymous. The F&L relate to Jesus death and resurrection, this is clear by the context both times the phrase F&L is used. The A&O relates to God having no beginning and end and being the only God. It contradicts God character of the title F&L was the same as A&O and if Jesus is the one God as it would, in essence, be saying Jesus as God in his divine nature as the Almighty said "I became dead" according to Rev 1:18, this is impossible as God cannot die and the verse is clearly talking about God in his highest non-human form, since, the man part of Jesus is not the A&O or Almighty, its only his divinity that is the A&O and Almighty, thus him saying "I BECAME DEAD" is the ALMIGHTY speaking in his divinity which is a contradiction of his eternality. Simply put the "first and last" and "alpha and Omega" simply cannot be in reference to the same thing otherwise God will have had to have died.

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Nothing I've said is unbiblical, everything I've shown has been backed up immensely from the bible, I have not twisted scripture in any way. if I have then show me. The only reason you are making excuses to not talk to me is that you cannot deal and refute the things I say and the questions I pose, you are fooling no one loool. I've shown your ignorance of the Biblical metaphorical language and how being the "root of David" has nothing to do with being before David, rather, its got to do with being his descendant. I've shown how your argument in relation to Jesus being judge and therefore the "one who is, was and is coming" to be fallacious, YOU have shown how you are unable to answer my question, and how the title F&L is different to A&O. You CANNOT refute the truth, that is why you are having such a hard time and have to result in running and killing the conversation the same way the Jews killed of the conversation with Jesus. YOU, the name-calling mocker who acts like a hypocrite have been defeated by JW, go lick your wounds.

I have mocked you because I, through long experience, have developed a sort of sixth sense when it comes to liars and fools. I haven't taken you seriously for one second. Your posts just reek of deception, double talk, emotional projection and outright lies. When I saw a post from Bright Raven stating you were a JW, it totally had the ring of truth. I felt like I should have detected it earlier, especially given the subject matter.

You can pretend like you've defeated me if you like. Of course, you would do so regardless but the unfortunate thing for you is that saying it doesn't make it so and that every word that has been typed on this thread is all still here for anyone to read.

Good bye.
Clete


P.S. Revelation 22:12 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”

Looks like "the Alpha and the Omega" and "the First and the Last" are the same after all! So much for having "not twisted scripture in any way"! ::chuckle:

 

[Right Divider]

You are not funny when you lie about what the Bible says.

I tell the truth.

Please clarify, are you claiming it is taught by the Bible or is not taught by the Bible?

Throughout the Bible God is shown to be triune.

 

[Clete]

The Bible doesn't teach anything. People read it, interpret it, and every now and then someone teaches someone else their interpretation of it.

Things the bible teaches...

God created the heaven and the Earth and everything in them in six days and He rested on the seventh day.
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Exodus 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day.​

The Creator became flesh and dwelt amoung us as a man whom we call Jesus.
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John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!​

Jesus willingly allowed Himself to be killed as a payment for sin.
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John 10:18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.
I John 2:1 And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.​

Jesus rose from the dead.
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Matthew 28:7 And go quickly and tell His disciples that He is risen from the dead, and indeed He is going before you into Galilee; there you will see Him. Behold, I have told you.”

Acts 13:28 And though they found no cause for death in Him, they asked Pilate that He should be put to death. 29 Now when they had fulfilled all that was written concerning Him, they took Him down from the tree and laid Him in a tomb. 30But God raised Him from the dead.​

I could literally do this all day. There are a great many things that the bible teaches and that are not matters of opinion or interpretation.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Loooool

:yawn:

You believed you were so high and mighty with your knowledge but you have been shamed and embarrassed in only a few posts with me.

Well, no, he hasn't.

Clete has been a member of TOL for FAR LONGER than you have, about 10 years longer, and has been dealing with people like you who have no idea what they're talking about because they've just been hand-fed what to believe.

You are my new record holder at how quick someone ignore the questions and points I make as they are unanswerable

Well, no, they're answerable, but Clete has done it so many times with nothing to show for it that it's simply a waste of his time to do it again.

as they break your false biblical understanding. You have the same flawed heart as the hypocritical Jews. Just as they looked for excuses and reasons to kill Jesus as he embarrassed them you have looked for reasons and excuses to kill the conversation with me as you are embarrassed by the points I make and you being unable to refute them.

There's really no comparison to be made here.

Clete's tired of repeating the same lines over and over again, only to have the cultist completely ignore (as you already have in this thread) his arguments. Hypocrite.

The truth apparently is meant to always prevail,

Not really. Especially not with cultists like yourself.

yet in your case "you don't debate theology with people you claim are cultists", Jesus himself was a cultist in his day by today's definition of a cult, you are ignorant of many things.

https://kgov.com/jehovahs-witnesses-secretly-recorded
https://kgov.com/deity

Points I have made that are too difficult for you to handle and which I have refuted:

1) Jesus is not the one speaking in Rev 1:8

Because you say so?

Question:

Is Jesus the one conversing with Paul in Acts 9:4-6? If so, is Jesus also the one conversing with Paul in his recounting of Acts 9:4-6 in Acts 22:7-10?

as the context shows he is separate from that one by Rev 1:4,5 this is irrefutable, no amount of evidence to the contrary that seems to show Jesus as "the one coming" or as the A&O will unwrite John written words in Rev 1:4,5.

So, in other words, your argument is that, because John is stating for the record that he's the one writing down the words of someone else, therefore the other person's words aren't really that person's words, but John's?

Question: Is John, in verse 8, claiming to be the following?:
“The Alpha and the Omega,"
"the Beginning and the End,”
"the Lord,"
“who is and who was and who is to come,"
"the Almighty”?
And if not, who is making the claim in verse 8 to those names?

One has to tackle the contradiction head on to deal with it. You haven't even given an answer to this question but claim its pre-supposed and yet are unable to explain why its pre-supposed, you simply cannot explain why Jesus is separate from "the one who is, was and is coming" as you want and need him to be "the one who is, was and is coming"

You have not provided any reason for it to be otherwise.

Remember, you're the one who came to a Christian forum (which is strongly trinitarian) and demanded that Jesus is not God. The onus is on you to provide the evidence, and so far when you've been pressed (by Clete especially) you have yet to sufficiently respond to his direct challenges of your position.

Who's the one running agian?

2) You believe "root of David" somehow proves Jesus is God as you wrongly believe the word "root" has something to Jesus being the beginning of David line (I'm not even sure what you believe the root symbolizes as you don't even explain you positions but rather leave it to me to guess them) or the start of his house as its "roots". As I've said before, anyone with a good and basic understanding of the bible knows the expression of Jesus being the "root of David" has nothing to do with David coming from Jesus, but much to the contrary, is an expression that Jesus is David's descendant. Even on the first googled result on a credible trinitarian website they give the following definition, "Root here means stock, family, descendant, hence, "the Root of David" is that which descended from David, not that from which David descended. Jesus Christ in His human nature and family connections was a descendant of David, a member of his family." (https://www.biblestudytools.com/dict...david-root-of/). The only place I have seen people claim "root of David" shows Jesus is God are from non-scholarly self-made websites or blogs where the people like yourself have no clue what the biblical language and metaphorical language means but read it on face-value.

See my previous response to you for the dissection of this claim.

3) The one who is was and is to come judges (Rev 16:5) thus Jesus is that one according to John 5:21,22.

"The one who is and who was and who is to come" is describing the One who is eternal, God.

To have it applied to Jesus makes him God.

This was a fallacious argument that relied on the ignorance of believing the judging in Rev 16:5 and John 5:21 refer to the same judgment when they do not. Even if the "one who is, was and is coming" judges it still doesn't refer to Jesus and can still refer to the Father as the Father is the ultimate judge despite appointing Jesus as a judge, as it is the Father who judges through his son, this is clear according to Acts 17:31, "..Because he [the Father] has set a day on which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed".

4) The title "first and last" (F&L) and the title "Alpha and Omega" (A&O) are not synonymous.

Do you even know the significance of "alpha" and "omega" in the greek alphabet?

The F&L relate to Jesus death and resurrection, this is clear by the context both times the phrase F&L is used. The A&O relates to God having no beginning and end and being the only God.

Question:

Who is speaking in Isaiah 44:6?
Here's the verse for you to consider:

“Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God. - Isaiah 44:6 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah44:6&version=NKJV

It contradicts God character of the title F&L was the same as A&O

Why?

and if Jesus is the one God as it would, in essence, be saying Jesus as God in his divine nature as the Almighty said "I became dead" according to Rev 1:18, this is impossible as God cannot die

Could you please, seeing as you haven't responded to my previous post to you (and here's hoping you are in the process of doing so), define what exactly, if anything, you mean by the word "die" in your claim, "God cannot die"?

And just to confirm, your argument is "God cannot die, therefore Jesus cannot be God, because Jesus died"?

and the verse is clearly talking about God in his highest non-human form, since, the man part of Jesus is not the A&O or Almighty, its only his divinity that is the A&O and Almighty, thus him saying "I BECAME DEAD" is the ALMIGHTY speaking in his divinity which is a contradiction of his eternality.

I have no idea what you just said, because none of that comes close to anything that is said in the Bible...

Simply put the "first and last" and "alpha and Omega" simply cannot be in reference to the same thing otherwise God will have had to have died.

Supra.

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Nothing I've said is unbiblical, everything I've shown has been backed up immensely from the bible,

Just because you can back up your false doctrine from the Bible doesn't make it truth.

Just look at Marx and his Communist Manifesto. He drew upon what was going on in Acts.

I have not twisted scripture in any way.

False.

if I have then show me.

You have been.

The only reason you are making excuses to not talk to me is that you cannot deal and refute the things I say and the questions I pose, you are fooling no one

Well, no. The reason that he doesn't want to talk to you is because he's been there, done that with cultists like yourself over the many years he's been on TOL, and perhaps even longer.

It's extremely arrogant of you to assume otherwise.

loool.

:yawn:

I've shown your ignorance of the Biblical metaphorical language

Do you even know any Greek or Hebrew at all?

and how being the "root of David" has nothing to do with being before David, rather, its got to do with being his descendant.

And you've been shown that this is false. By me.

I've shown how your argument in relation to Jesus being judge and therefore the "one who is, was and is coming" to be fallacious, YOU have shown how you are unable to answer my question,

Being unable to answer because you've stumped him and being unwilling to answer because he's done it all several times before may have the same appearance, but it's extremely shallow of you to assume that the former is the case and to not even consider the latter.

and how the title F&L is different to A&O.

Except it's not all that different at all.

Do you even know the Greek alphabet?

You CANNOT refute the truth,

What, you mean the nonsense you've posted? :chuckle:

Sorry to burst your bubble, NWL, but while I agree with your statement in general, the nonsense you've posted isn't truth, and Clete has better things to do than to debate a knucklehead like yourself who spent several paragraphs answering his direct and to the point question about your beliefs.

that is why you are having such a hard time and have to result in running and killing the conversation the same way the Jews killed of the conversation with Jesus.

Supra.

YOU, the name-calling mocker who acts like a hypocrite have been defeated by JW, go lick your wounds.

And FINALLY you answer his question.

Thanks for the entertainment though, Mr. Jehovah's Witness.

 

[Clete]

https://kgov.com/jehovahs-witnesses-secretly-recorded
https://kgov.com/deity

Your entire post was brilliant throughout, of course, but I want to draw particular attention to these two links you posted.
Bob Enyart really has an amazing tallent for presenting arguments in a way that is unexpected, completely brilliant and so thorough that one wonders how he has the time to compile all the pertinant information.

His point at the end of the "The Deity of Christ: A Different Approach" article concerning Euthyphro's dilema, which he mentions almost as an aside, is a particularly great point that no JW (or any other cult member) could hope to refute.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Your entire post was brilliant throughout, of course,

:1Way: To God be the glory. :1Way:

but I want to draw particular attention to these two links you posted.

Bob Enyart really has an amazing talent for presenting arguments in a way that is unexpected, completely brilliant and so thorough that one wonders how he has the time to compile all the pertinent information.

That's his secret. He's always compiling pertinent information.

No, seriously, I know that's a play off of what Dr. Brenner says in Marvel's The Hulk, but when I went to visit him last June, almost the entire time I was there, even though he was hosting me, (and none of this should paint him in a negative light, but a positive one), he was researching, asking questions, and showing me things that he and Dr. Walt Brown, among others, were working on.

It's because he's always researching, compiling, etc, that I'm amaze he has time to even come on TOL at all (like he has in the past few days).

His point at the end of the "The Deity of Christ: A Different Approach" article concerning Euthyphro's dilema, which he mentions almost as an aside, is a particularly great point that no JW (or any other cult member) could hope to refute.

It's amazing that people can be so bullheaded that they can't admit when they've been shown truth.

They're like Jonah, pouting after God didn't destroy Nineveh...

 

[Theo102]

Things the bible teaches...

God created the heaven and the Earth and everything in them in six days and He rested on the seventh day.

Wrong. The English translation uses the ambiguous term "God" as a translation of Elohim. There's no "He" in the original text.

The point is that when people say "The Bible teaches X", what they're doing is using the cultural taboo of criticising the Bible to make their interpretation of their version of the text appear to be more authoritative.

 

[genuineoriginal]

The Bible does not say, "God is a Trinity", though the Bible teaches the Trinity.

The problem is that the Bible does not teach the Trinity, which is a problem for every Trinitarian who ever tried to make that claim.

genuineoriginal is a God-hating fool.
you're a Christ-despising, Bible-despising hypocrite.

You lied about the Bible teaching the Trinity and you are lying about that as well.

you go around saying "God is not a Trinity"

No, I go around saying that the Bible does not teach the Trinity, which is a true statement and can be verified by checking the scriptures to see if it actually TEACHES the Trinity.

No Trinitarian claims that Jesus must be God the Son BECAUSE the Bible does not say Jesus is not God the Son.

I see you are trying to create another straw-man argument that nobody except you would actually try to use.

Here is the argument you are twisting:
Trinitarians claims that Jesus must be God the Son DESPITE the Bible not saying that Jesus is God the Son.

I am sure you are not capable of seeing the difference.

Trinitarians claim that BECAUSE the Bible teaches that Jesus is God the Son

The Bible does not teach that Jesus is God the Son

and BECAUSE the Bible cannot contradict itself

Even God has contradicted Himself, such as when He said He would destroy the children of Israel but did not because Moses begged Him to spare them.
Since the Bible is not greater than God, there is no real justification in the belief that the Bible cannot contradict itself.

 

[genuineoriginal]

Can a person who does not believe God is a Trinity use the scriptures to prove that God is not a Trinity?
Yes.

I see I did not fully qualify that statement.
I have fixed it to match the preceding statement in that post:

Can a person who has been told that God is a Trinity use the scriptures to prove to himself that God is a Trinity?
Yes.

Can a person who does not believe God is a Trinity use the scriptures to prove to himself that God is not a Trinity?
Yes.

 

[genuineoriginal]

Notice that, as the phrase you detest--"the Trinity"--is not found in the Bible, your phrase, "worship the Father as God", is also nowhere to be found in the Bible,

You seem to be stuck on trying to prove that specific phrases are not found in the Bible.
That appears to be due to your inability to identify which doctrines are taught by the Bible.

The Bible teaches that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the same God that Jesus said we should pray to when we pray, "Our Father who art in Heaven, Hallowed be thy Name".
So, yes the Bible does teach the doctrine that we are to worship "The Father" as God.

John 4:23-24 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

However, the Trinity doctrine is not taught by the Bible in any form.

So, it is not the phrase that I am opposed to, it is the false claim that the Bible teaches the Trinity.

Nowhere, in the Bible, do we read "worship the Father as God"

If you choose to refuse to worship the Father as God despite the teaching of the Bible, that is your choice, and your final destination will be the lake of fire.

 

[genuineoriginal]

why can't you just shut up

Why should I shut up when people like you keep spreading lies about what the Word of God teaches?
Should I be silent while people like you teach others to believe the doctrines of men instead of the doctrines taught in the Bible?

Matthew 15:7-9 7 [JESUS]Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,[/JESUS] 8 [JESUS]This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.[/JESUS] 9 [JESUS]But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.[/JESUS]

 

[genuineoriginal]

Right Divider rightly stated that the verse has Jesus claiming to be God; RD did NOT state that the verse has Jesus saying, "I am God".

I understanding that you lack the ability to comprehend what you read, but that is going far beyond your normal incompetence.

Look at the verse.

John 10:34-36 34 Jesus answered them, [JESUS]Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?[/JESUS] 35 [JESUS]If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;[/JESUS] 36 [JESUS]Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?[/JESUS]

Where in the verse does the verse have Jesus claiming to be God?
Nowhere.

Where in the verse does Jesus claim to be someone other than God?
Right there where Jesus claims that the Father sanctified Jesus, the Father sent Jesus into the world, and Jesus confirmed that He said about Himself, [JESUS]"I am the Son of God"[/JESUS]

Was Right Divider right in stating that the verse has Jesus claiming to be God?
No, Right Divider was wrong about that.

 

[Right Divider]

However, the Trinity doctrine is not taught by the Bible in any form.

Repeating your disgusting lie is sick.

Here is another proof that you will ignore: https://theologyonline.com/blogs/right-divider/2441821-

 

[genuineoriginal]

The Bible doesn't teach anything. People read it, interpret it, and every now and then someone teaches someone else their interpretation of it.

If you learn to fear the Lord your God by reading the Bible, did the Bible teach you to fear the Lord your God or not?

Deuteronomy 17:18-19 18 And it shall be, when he sitteth upon the throne of his kingdom, that he shall write him a copy of this law in a book out of that which is before the priests the Levites: 19 And it shall be with him, and he shall read therein all the days of his life: that he may learn to fear the Lord his God, to keep all the words of this law and these statutes, to do them:

 

[genuineoriginal]

You're quite wrong on this point. I spent a great deal of time thinking through, discussing, debating, etc. all of these points both here on TOL and elsewhere.

Do you enjoy taking the side of a doctrine that is not taught by the Bible?

The diety of Christ is quite central to the gospel. Foundational in fact.

What makes you think the Son of God has would be lacking deity if He is not the Father?

"The "kinsman redeemer" concept explains why the Lord Jesus Christ must be God, to be qualified to redeem.

You seem to have a problem understanding that the "kinsman redeemer" must be a kinsman, meaning he must be a man (human) related by blood to the person he is redeeming.
The "kinsman redeemer" concept proves that Jesus must be a man in order to redeem mankind.

 

[genuineoriginal]

I tell the truth.

:chuckle:

Throughout the Bible God is shown to be triune.

That is a lie, probably a lie from ignorance, since you have proven over and over that you can't (or won't) understand the teachings Bible.

 

[genuineoriginal]

Things the bible teaches...

God created the heaven and the Earth and everything in them in six days and He rested on the seventh day.

True

The Creator became flesh and dwelt amoung us as a man whom we call Jesus.

False

Jesus willingly allowed Himself to be killed as a payment for sin.

True

Jesus rose from the dead.

True

Three out of four ain't bad.

 

[JudgeRightly]

I understanding that you lack the ability to comprehend what you read, but that is going far beyond your normal incompetence.

That's ironic...

Look at the verse.

John 10:34-36 34 Jesus answered them, [JESUS]Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?[/JESUS] 35 [JESUS]If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;[/JESUS] 36 [JESUS]Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?[/JESUS]

Where in the verse does the verse have Jesus claiming to be God?
Nowhere.

Where in the verse does Jesus claim to be someone other than God?
Right there where Jesus claims that the Father sanctified Jesus, the Father sent Jesus into the world, and Jesus confirmed that He said about Himself, [JESUS]"I am the Son of God"[/JESUS]

In Matthew 19:16-17, Mark 10:17-18, and Luke 18:18-19:

Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”So He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” - Matthew 19:16-17 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...7&version=NKJV

Now as He was going out on the road, one came running, knelt before Him, and asked Him, “Good Teacher, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?”So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. - Mark 10:17-18 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...8&version=NKJV

Now a certain ruler asked Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. - Luke 18:18-19 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...9&version=NKJV

We see a man calling Jesus "Good Teacher."

Was Jesus' response correcting him about calling Him good? or was Jesus claiming to be God?