freelight
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That is only 'assuming' such a sacrifice is necessary, and that the 'sacrifice' must somehow be 'divine'.
pj
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That is only 'assuming' such a sacrifice is necessary, and that the 'sacrifice' must somehow be 'divine'.
pj
beloved57
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I can only tell you the Truth,cannot make you believe it !
beloved57
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God our Saviour !
The Lord Jesus Christ, for the True Believer, is God Our Saviour ! He is the God in the Old Testament who announced this Isa 45:21-22
21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
Yes this could be none other but the Preincarnate Christ speaking as the only Saviour of all the Earth, the same as Acts 4:12
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
This look unto me and be ye saved all the ends of the earth, is looking to Christ the Saviour of all people Lk 2:10-11
10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
Which Saviour, as mysterious as it may appear, is actually God with us, Immanuel Matt 1:23
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Another testimony to Christ being God with us is 2 Cor 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself, this means that God was the Man Jesus Christ accomplishing His Saving promise and Work, for He brought salvation to His People by His Own arm Isa 63:5
And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me.
At the Second Coming of Christ, it will be the appearing of our Great God and Saviour Titus 2:13-14
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Which only confirms what Christ spake of in Isa 45:21-22
21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
And Isa 63:5
5 And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me.
The Lord Jesus Christ, for the True Believer, is God Our Saviour ! He is the God in the Old Testament who announced this Isa 45:21-22
21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
Yes this could be none other but the Preincarnate Christ speaking as the only Saviour of all the Earth, the same as Acts 4:12
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
This look unto me and be ye saved all the ends of the earth, is looking to Christ the Saviour of all people Lk 2:10-11
10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
Which Saviour, as mysterious as it may appear, is actually God with us, Immanuel Matt 1:23
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Another testimony to Christ being God with us is 2 Cor 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself, this means that God was the Man Jesus Christ accomplishing His Saving promise and Work, for He brought salvation to His People by His Own arm Isa 63:5
And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me.
At the Second Coming of Christ, it will be the appearing of our Great God and Saviour Titus 2:13-14
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Which only confirms what Christ spake of in Isa 45:21-22
21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
And Isa 63:5
5 And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me.
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Apple7
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The Shema is Trinitarian.
This has already been repeatedly shown to you.
Gen 18....keep running from it.
The Trinity is one.
One what?
It starts in Genesis....and runs through Revelation.
Jews invented idol worship.
Great comebacks!.....not.
Jews invented and perfected idol worship.
True Christians worship the Triune Creator.
Apple7
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Only in your mind....not in scripture.
Scripture?
Again...scripture?
No.
You don't know any scripture....
Apple7
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Apple7
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- even beyond 'assumed' interpretations from the original languages, further distorted to some degree with translating it into another language (English)....its still a matter of 'encapsuling' God into a 'preconceived configuration' and making that 'concept' into a 'dogma'.
When there is no doctinal need to make Jesus 'God',....a Unitarian view is sound, simple and logical. 'God' is the One Universal Spirit-Father of all souls/spirits and creation. Only the Father which is the eternal ancestor and originator of all, is 'God'. Simple logic within a relational context, as long as God is fathering anyone or anything.
'God' is a reality way beyond even these relational points of view, for 'God' is the Infinite One...or the One Infinity. 'God' alone is absolute. - all else is relative.
pj
The cosmic quagmire pontificates fastidious surrealisms which then proliferates exponentially from a cannabis debased cerebral cortex…
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keypurr
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We also do not have Apple7's customized Bibles.
Apple7
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Elia
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The shma is ONE:
שמע ישראל י-ה-ו-ה אלהנו י-ה-ו-ה אחד
Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE.
What part of "GOD IS ONE" is it that you don't understand??
1 + 1 + 1 = 3, and not one.
Run from it! :dog::dog::dog:
Idol worship is much older than the Jewish people. So it is obvious that you are talking nonsense, as usual.
The Jews only worship the one and only God Y-H-W-H who is one.
The Christians ARE idol worshipers, because they worship a whole divine family, a father, a son, and a holy ghost.
Jews are pure monotheist, worshiping only Y-H-W-H who is one.
The trinity is an idolatrous pagan illogical extra-Biblical concept, adapted by the church from much older pagan religions, in order to cover up the fact that they have two gods; a God the Father, and a god the son. 1 + 1 = 2, and therefore Christians are polytheists, worshiping a whole divine family, and that makes them IDOL WORSHIPERS!
שמע ישראל י-ה-ו-ה אלהנו י-ה-ו-ה אחד
Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE.
"And God spoke all these words, saying, "I am Y-H-W-H your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME." Ex 20:1
Eliyahu, light unto the nations
"Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!" Deut 6:4
"All the peoples walk each in the name of his god, but as for us; we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God forever and ever!" Micah 4:5
Elia
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Apple7
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So is the Trinity.
1x1x1 = 1
So...Jews have not always been God's people, then.
That's not what Jewish scripture tells us.
Scripture tells us that you worshipped idols.....not once, not twice...but literally in thousands of verses.
Deal with it.
freelight
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Beyond human images......
Beyond human images......
We've already covered what 'idolatry' entails, and that is worship of anything that is not the One Universal divine Reality or 'Deity'. - this includes all false conceptions of 'God', mental images, forms, etc. ..that are exalted to the status of 'God'(who Alone is an incorporeal Spirit-Presence). The Jews have been loyal to worship YHWH in how He is presented in their scriptures, which do not include a 'Christian' spin or 'interpretation'. As long as a Jew is worshipping YHWH truly, in accordance to scripture and tradition....he abides in truth, from his perspective. Continually blaming Jews for worshipping idols is ridiculous in this day and age, since most of the 'idolatry' spoken of in the OT was in those days, which included the worship of of actual physical images and representations (the gods of neighboring cultures, other tribal deities). It is just not so among most Jews in current times.
Idolatry begins in the mind, and exists in potential whenever a 'mind' can imagine false concepts or images of 'God', so that would be at any time a mortal, finite human mind is operating. True idolatry is worshipping something that is valueless in the ultimate context of things, anything that is not according to reality. Reality itself, is prior to any god-concept or religious formulation, since it is pure Spirit, the essence of Being itself, which is wholly Self-luminous and Self-authenticating. Truth itself is inherent in being.
To confine the Infinite God to a 'plurality-concept' is still limiting the INFINITE, - such a view fits only those who accept such a format, while still....the Infinite ONE is a fundamental unity of one universal 'essence' and 'Being'. A trinity or any other divine plurals (Godhead, pantheon, etc.) are usually formatted within a particular religious tradition as a 'relational' and 'econonical' construct. - such concepts serve their own cosmology-contexts. At best they represent an intellectual concept, or merely one point of view among others. Still,.....'God' is 'God' (no matter how many additions, personalities, forms, images or creations one imposes on that one fundamental reality).
As consciousness itself, I AM free to enjoy, research and transcend them all
pj
Beyond human images......
We've already covered what 'idolatry' entails, and that is worship of anything that is not the One Universal divine Reality or 'Deity'. - this includes all false conceptions of 'God', mental images, forms, etc. ..that are exalted to the status of 'God'(who Alone is an incorporeal Spirit-Presence). The Jews have been loyal to worship YHWH in how He is presented in their scriptures, which do not include a 'Christian' spin or 'interpretation'. As long as a Jew is worshipping YHWH truly, in accordance to scripture and tradition....he abides in truth, from his perspective. Continually blaming Jews for worshipping idols is ridiculous in this day and age, since most of the 'idolatry' spoken of in the OT was in those days, which included the worship of of actual physical images and representations (the gods of neighboring cultures, other tribal deities). It is just not so among most Jews in current times.
Idolatry begins in the mind, and exists in potential whenever a 'mind' can imagine false concepts or images of 'God', so that would be at any time a mortal, finite human mind is operating. True idolatry is worshipping something that is valueless in the ultimate context of things, anything that is not according to reality. Reality itself, is prior to any god-concept or religious formulation, since it is pure Spirit, the essence of Being itself, which is wholly Self-luminous and Self-authenticating. Truth itself is inherent in being.
To confine the Infinite God to a 'plurality-concept' is still limiting the INFINITE, - such a view fits only those who accept such a format, while still....the Infinite ONE is a fundamental unity of one universal 'essence' and 'Being'. A trinity or any other divine plurals (Godhead, pantheon, etc.) are usually formatted within a particular religious tradition as a 'relational' and 'econonical' construct. - such concepts serve their own cosmology-contexts. At best they represent an intellectual concept, or merely one point of view among others. Still,.....'God' is 'God' (no matter how many additions, personalities, forms, images or creations one imposes on that one fundamental reality).
As consciousness itself, I AM free to enjoy, research and transcend them all
pj
Apple7
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Nope.
Someday, when you actually do read the OT (for the very first time), you will see that the Jews were anything but 'loyal' to Yahweh.
All of their prophets told them that they were idol worshippers....in verse, after verse, after verse...
Study up.
'In accordance with scripture'?
What scripture?
You don't know any scripture....remember.....nor can you produce any now for your meritless assertion(s)...
Show us some scripture that demonstrates that modern day Jews are correctly worshipping Yahweh.
Good luck...
The Trinity is an epithet for the God of the Holy Bible as He has revealed hImself in scripture.
Now....go meditate...
Elia
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To begin with, nobody can give a definition of that supposed "trinity", also you not.
But trinitarians agree that that pagan trinity is made up of three persons.
And since three is not the same as one, therefore the trinity is not one.
The problem with Christians is, that when it comes to religion, they suddenly cannot count to three anymore.
Then they think that 1 + 1 + 1 = 1.
When you confront them with the fact that 1 + 1 + 1 = 3, and not 1, then they start saying: 1 x 1 x 1 = 1.
In fact this is correct, but it is not pertinent to our problem.
I'll explain this to you.
When you have three pieces of fruit, which are all apples, than you have 1 apple + 1 apple + 1apple = 3 apples.
Then you do not have 1 apple x 1 apple x 1 apple = 1 apple, but then you really have THREE apples.
Evenso with gods.
When you have three persons who are all divine, then you have 1 god + 1 god + 1 god = 3 gods.
Then you do not have 1 god x 1 god x 1 god = 1 god, but then you really have THREE gods.
Got it?
Yes, the Jews have always been God's people. Even when they were going astray:
The Christian churches believe in the theory that G.d rejected His chosen people, and that instead the Christians are the new spiritual Israel. However, G.d says clearly in the Holy Torah that He will never break his covenant with the Jewish people, even not when they stray away from Him. When the Jews go astray G.d will punish them. (Leviticus 26:14-17) And if they then still don't listen, G.d will punish them seven times harder. (idem:18-22) And if they then still don't listen, G.d will punish them another seven times harder. (idem:23-24) And if they then still refuse to turn back to G.d, He will punish them another seven times harder. (idem:27-28) But despite all this, G.d will not break His covenant with the Jewish people: Leviticus 26:44-45; "And yet for all that, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break My covenant with them: For I am Y-H-W-H their G.d. But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their G.d: I am Y-H-W-H."
"Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying: The two families that the LORD hath chosen, He has even cast them of? Thus they have despised My people, that they should no more be a nation before them. Thus saith the LORD: If My covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth; Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob: for I will cause their captivety to return and have mercy on them." Jeremiah 33:24-26
If G.d rejected the Jews, why then is He now fulfilling the prophecies that He will gather in the Jews and bring them back to their land? "Fear not, for I am with thee, I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west. I will say to the north; give up, and to the south; keep not back: Bring my sons from far, and My daughters from the ends of the earth." Isaiah 43:5+6 The whole world witnesses this miracle, how after almost 2000 years of dispersion over the whole earth the Jews are returning to Israel. In just 50 years a state has been built from scratch, the Hebrew language has been revived. Is there any precedent in history for this? Is there any other people that was dispersed throughout the whole world for almost 2000 years that held on to their identity and their religion?---Surely we see here the hand of G.d.
I'm not talking past tense, I'm talking present tense. For reasons unclear to me, you keep on coming up with events of thousands of years ago, when we are discussing the here and now.
That is absolutely not pertinent to our discussion, and only indicates you have no real arguments.
The Jews now only worship the one and only God Y-H-W-H who is one, and therefore the Jews have the true monotheism, and are NOT idol worshipers.
Of course there are misguided individuals, like the Jews for J, but the main part of the Jews only worship the one and only true God Y-H-W-H who is one.
Christians however, worship a whole pantheon, a Father, a son, a holy ghost, so they are polytheists, and with that IDOL WORSHIPERS.
And saying "1 + 1 + 1 = 1" is not going to change that fact.
Also saying "1 x 1 x 1 = 1", even though factually more correct, is not going to change the fact that Christians are worshiping a whole pantheon.
They are and remain polytheists.
Eliyahu, light unto the nations
"Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!" Deut 6:4
"All the peoples walk each in the name of his god, but as for us; we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God forever and ever!" Micah 4:5
Elia
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Whenever the Jews went astray, there was always a remnant what stayed loyal to the one and only true God Y-H-W-H who is one. (and not three, not three in one, not triune, but ONE):
" And behold, a voice came to him and said, “What are you doing here, Elijah?” 14 Then he said, “I have been very zealous for the Lord, the God of hosts; for the sons of Israel have forsaken Your covenant, torn down Your altars and killed Your prophets with the sword. And I alone am left; and they seek my life, to take it away.”
15 "Y-H-W-H said to him, “Go, return on your way to the wilderness of Damascus, and when you have arrived, you shall anoint Hazael king over Aram; 16 and Jehu the son of Nimshi you shall anoint king over Israel; and Elisha the son of Shaphat of Abel-meholah you shall anoint as prophet in your place. 17 It shall come about, the one who escapes from the sword of Hazael, Jehu shall put to death, and the one who escapes from the sword of Jehu, Elisha shall put to death. 18 Yet I will leave 7,000 in Israel, all the knees that have not bowed to Baal and every mouth that has not kissed him.” 1 Kings 19
There always is a hard core which holds on to the worship of the one and only God Y-H-W-H who is one.
In the above case: 7000 men.
The idol worshipers drop off and disappear from history's view, the true worshipers continue.
This one: "And God spoke all these words, saying, "I am Y-H-W-H your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME." Ex 20:1-3
שמע ישראל י-ה-ו-ה אלהנו י-ה-ו-ה אחד
Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE.
And you shall love Y-H-W-H your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might.
And these words which I command you this day shall be upon your heart;
and you shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, and when you walk by the way, and when you lie down, and when you rise.
And you shall bind them as a sign upon your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes.
And you shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.
Deut 6:4-9
These words are recited by the Jews morning and evening. Every morning they put upon their arm and upon their forehead their phylacteries, (prayer belts) that consist of black straps with black leather cubes, that contain parchment upon which is written this Biblical text that says that G.d is one, fulfilling what is written: "And you shall bind them as a sign upon your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes."
Upon the doorposts of the houses of the religious Jews there are small boxes or containers that also contain parchment upon which is written that G.d is one, fulfilling: "And you shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates."
This God Y-H-W-H is the ONLY God worshiped by the Jews.
This God Y-H-W-H His law is followed by the Jews.
The Christians follow JC.
They have abolished the law of God and follow paganism.
They are pagan idolaters.
NOWHERE in Scripture is a trinity to be found.
This is how God reveals Himself in Scripture:
"Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!" Deut 6:4
"Listen, Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is One" Holman Christian Standard Bible
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one." English Standard Version
"Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!" New American Standard Bible
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one." New International Version
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one!" New King James Version"
"And one of the scribes came up and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, asked him, "Which commandment is the first of all?" Jesus answered, "The first is, `Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, THE LORD IS ONE; and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' The second is this, `You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these." And the scribe said to him, "You are right, Teacher; you have truly said that HE IS ONE, and there is no other but he; and to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the strength, and to love one's neighbor as oneself, is much more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices." And when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, he said to him, "You are not far from the kingdom of God."" Mark 12:28-34 Revised Standard Version
“The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one." .... "You are right in saying that God is one" New International Version
"Here is the most important one. Moses said, 'Israel, listen to me. The Lord is our God. The Lord is one." .... "You are right in saying that God is one." New International Readers Version
"Jesus answered: Listen, Israel! The Lord our God, The Lord is One." .... "You have correctly said that He is One," Holman Christian Standard Bible
"Jesus answered, The first is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God, the Lord is one:" .... "thou hast well said that he is one;" American Standard Version
"Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is: ‘Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one." New King James Version
"Jesus answered, "The most important is, 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one" .... "You have truly said that he is one," English Standard Version
"Jesus said, "The first in importance is, 'Listen, Israel: The Lord your God is one;" .... "A wonderful answer, Teacher! So lucid and accurate—that God is one" The Message
"‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one." .... “You are right in saying that God is one" New International Version
"Now an intermediary implies more than one; but GOD IS ONE." Gal 3:20 Revised Standard Version
"Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but GOD IS ONE" King James Version
"A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but GOD IS ONE." New International Version
"Now an intermediary implies more than one, but GOD IS ONE." English Standard Version
"Now a mediator is not a mediator of one; but GOD IS ONE." American Standard Version
"and the mediator is not of one, and GOD IS ONE" Youngs Literal Translation
"You believe that GOD IS ONE; you do well." James 2:19 Revised Standard Version
"thou -- thou dost believe that GOD IS ONE; thou dost well," Youngs Literal translation
"Thou believest that GOD IS ONE; thou doest well:" American Standard Version
"You believe that GOD IS ONE; you do well." Holman Christian Standard Bible.
"*Thou* believest that GOD IS ONE. Thou doest well." Darby Translation.
"It’s good that you believe that GOD IS ONE." Common English Bible
"You believe that GOD IS ONE; you do well." English Standard Version
"You believe that GOD IS ONE; you do well." Amplified Bible
"You believe that GOD IS ONE You do well;" New American Standard Bible
So the Bible teaches clearly that God is ONE.
"And J-e-h-o-v-a-h shall be King over all the earth: in that day shall J-e-h-o-v-a-h be one, and his name one." Zach 14:9 American Standard Version
"And the LORD shall be King over all the earth. In that day it shall be— “The LORD is one, And His name one." New King James Version
"And the LORD will be king over all the earth. On that day the LORD will be one and his name one." English Standard Version
"And the Lord shall be King over all the earth; in that day the Lord shall be one [in the recognition and worship of men] and His name one." Amplified Bible
Eliyahu, light unto the nations
"Hear Israel, Y-H-W-H is our God, Y-H-W-H is ONE!" Deut 6:4
"All the peoples walk each in the name of his god, but as for us; we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God forever and ever!" Micah 4:5
Lon
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No, that's 'tritheism.' That is different than a trinity or triunity.
No, tritheism would be 3. Trinity or tri-une means 3 that are one.
No, the problem is you are stuck. 1X1X1=1. They cloned Dolly the Sheep. She is one sheep existing in two bodies. One and one doesn't equal two Dolly's. It merely equals two bodies, one sheep.
Romans 9:6
Romans 11:5
Apple7
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Thanks for this open admission that the Jews went astray!
How many thousands of times did the Jews go astray as recorded in the Tanak?
One thousand times...two thousand times.....more?
Thanks for this open admission that you come from a long line of idol worshippers!
Since the vast majority of your forefathers were idol worshippers, what makes you think that you are any different, as you are cut from the very same cloth!
Another open admission that your idol worshipping forefathers even went so far as to kill their very own prophets!
So...was not Jesus correct when He said that the Jews were murderers?
I think so!
Again...the vast majority of Jews have always been idol worshippers!
Don't attempt to sugar-coat it, bro!
Nope.
You already stated that Jews require constant correction because they so 'astray'...!
So...magically, thousands of years after you killed your prophets, you have not gone 'astray'...and yet, previous to that you went 'astray' all the time.
Yeah.....right...
Elia
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You ARE an idol worshiper. And of course, all your Christian forefathers, they were idol worshipers.
I only worship the one and only true God Y-H-W-H.
That's why I'm not an idolator.
You worship a whole pantheon of gods, god the father, god the son, god the holy ghost, so you are an IDOL WORSHIPER.
????
Another lie.
Please show where I say so.
The Jews did no go astray "all the time". Sometimes, yes, all the time, no.
You are again spouting lies.
Eliyahu
Elia
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Please tell me what is a trinity. Nobody seems to be able to give a definition.
Sinds when are three one?? One is one, and three is three. They are not the same.
So you have two sheep, but you only have one sheep??
Boy, you are confused.
The sheep might be genetically identical, but they still are two sheep. Just like identical twins are two persons, and two people, and not one.
1 + 1 = 2, no matter how much you are trying to turn three into one.
Why is it that, when it comes to religion, Christians suddenly cannot count to two anymore?
Eliyahu