Guess you have never read John 8:58 where Jesus said before Abraham was He was. Amazing that you only see what you want to see and not what is right in front of you.
Jesus is God !
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keypurr
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Who was speaking, Jesus or the spirit in him?
keypurr
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For the record I have studied scripture for over seventy years so I have seen lot of verses and more than that I understand them.
John 3:34 NLT
For he is sent by God. He speaks God’s words, for God gives him the Spirit without limit.
No one. Jesus was human. Hence he had a body. All humans have bodies.
keypurr
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If he was God why did he need to receive the Holy Spirit and Power?
Yes, Jesus was human but he is not the one who needed a body prepared for him.
Ask yourself if God is a spirit. If you think that then who is his express image in Heb 1:3? Certainly not a man. Think friend
Jesus isn't God.
You're having difficulty with the King James. Do you have a 20-21 volume exhaustive Oxford Dictionary available? Beware false friends from 16th century English.
Hebrews 10:5 NLT
That is why, when Christ came into the world, he said to God,
“You did not want animal sacrifices or sin offerings.
But you have given me a body to offer.
Genesis 1:27 NLT
So God created human beings in his own image.
In the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.
Bible doesn't have a problem with it.
Good then you can compare John 8:58 with John 20:28 and understand that Jesus is God.
You found a translation that agrees with your error nothing new here.
keypurr
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Again, it was not Jesus that needed a body provided for it/him.
Man was made in the image of God in what way?
Only one was made in the express image of God. And God is a spirit.
In Col 1 we are told that this spirit was given the fullness of his Father
It goes deeper Hilltrot. What did the dove bring to Jesus when he was anointed? Acts 10:38, the power of the spirit, the true son was sent to Jesus to speak through him. Jesus was born to Mary, he did not come down from above.
And your evidence that the translation is wrong is , you hate me?
John 8:58 only proves your belief in your imagination. The blind man in the following chapter declares I AM.
As for John 20:28, there are a few simple explanations but I'll go with John 10:34 and John 20:31.
Actually I feel sorry for you not hate. Someone saying I am healed is not hardly the same as Jesus saying before Abraham was I AM. Do you even have a clue what Jesus was saying when He said I AM ?
The simple explanations are that you ignore the text and live a pre-text. Your loss not mine.
God's spirit is not the the Son. There is no scripture to support this. I don't deny you can try to eisegesis it in, but that doesn't mean the Bible support it.
In Colossians 1:19, God's spirit filled Jesus - all of God was not contained in Jesus.
Actually he was just saying I AM.
Jesus was likely saying I am the Messiah as he did when he used the same words in John 4:26
Jesus is not referring to the burning bush and there is no indication that he is. If he saying he was God, he would say before creation - not before Abraham.
Nope. You are ignoring the simplest explanations and forcing an Imperial Roman belief onto the Bible.
"I am the light of the world" "If you don't trust that I am, you will die in your sins" "Before Abraham came it, I am" <---- the light of the world
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"Judas hung himself" "go and do likewise" "for it is the will of my Father in heaven"
Not the best hermeneutic.
I fixed it. It is better than you think it is.