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Jesus is God !
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beloved57
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He is Alpha and Omega , the first and the last ! 2
He is Alpha and Omega , the first and the last ! 2
We have Linked the Lord Jesus Christ, the One speaking in Rev 1:11
11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
And Linked that One to The Redeemer Isa 44:6
6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts;I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Now we Know that Jesus is the Redeemer, we Know that He is the King of Israel, now lets see also that He is the Lord of Hosts !
Remember Isaiahs Prophecy here Isa 6:1-3
In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.
2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
You know who that " The Lord of Hosts" is ? Its the Lord Jesus Christ.
Notice in Isa 6:1 when the prophet said he saw the Lord sitting upon a Throne, denoting that He is a King, but it also says that His Train filled the Temple ! This speaks to His being also a High Priest, a Priest on a Throne, Zech 6:13
Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.
Thats why He is said to have a Train that filled the Temple. The Word Train here is hebrew shul:
skirt (of a robe)
The Vision of the Divine Being had a Robe On, something that the High Priest would wear as per
of high priest's robe Exodus 28:33 (twice in verse); Exodus 28:34 = Exodus 39:24,25,26
Now this is extrememly important because in the Vision that John has of Jesus Christ in Rev 1 it is stated of the One who spoke the words in Rev 1:11-13 this:
11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
Thats describing the Train that Daniel saw in the Vision of Isa 6:1-3 ! Its the same Divine Being, the Lord of Hosts, who is God Almighty, but yet, its also the Son of God, not the Father, for the Father is not the High Priest of the People, thats the Sons Role ! Heb 4:14
Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Thats who Isa saw as the Lord of Hosts here Isa 6:1-3
In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.
2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
Also John confirms that Christ is the Lord of Hosts here Jn 12:41
41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.
He is Alpha and Omega , the first and the last ! 2
We have Linked the Lord Jesus Christ, the One speaking in Rev 1:11
11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
And Linked that One to The Redeemer Isa 44:6
6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts;I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Now we Know that Jesus is the Redeemer, we Know that He is the King of Israel, now lets see also that He is the Lord of Hosts !
Remember Isaiahs Prophecy here Isa 6:1-3
In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.
2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
You know who that " The Lord of Hosts" is ? Its the Lord Jesus Christ.
Notice in Isa 6:1 when the prophet said he saw the Lord sitting upon a Throne, denoting that He is a King, but it also says that His Train filled the Temple ! This speaks to His being also a High Priest, a Priest on a Throne, Zech 6:13
Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.
Thats why He is said to have a Train that filled the Temple. The Word Train here is hebrew shul:
skirt (of a robe)
The Vision of the Divine Being had a Robe On, something that the High Priest would wear as per
of high priest's robe Exodus 28:33 (twice in verse); Exodus 28:34 = Exodus 39:24,25,26
Now this is extrememly important because in the Vision that John has of Jesus Christ in Rev 1 it is stated of the One who spoke the words in Rev 1:11-13 this:
11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
Thats describing the Train that Daniel saw in the Vision of Isa 6:1-3 ! Its the same Divine Being, the Lord of Hosts, who is God Almighty, but yet, its also the Son of God, not the Father, for the Father is not the High Priest of the People, thats the Sons Role ! Heb 4:14
Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Thats who Isa saw as the Lord of Hosts here Isa 6:1-3
In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.
2 Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
3 And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
Also John confirms that Christ is the Lord of Hosts here Jn 12:41
41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.
hi - b57 ! Jesus Is God ! goodday mate
That's right !!
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Because I say so..............
Because I say so..............
From an outside objective world, the statement that "Jesus is God!" has little or no meaning or value, unless one has been introduced to the religious teaching or concept of such and accepted it. So, a non-believer or a more agnostic/skeptical observer can challenge your 'claim', as being a mere assertion of "because I say so", with no real proof. In other words you'll have to prove that you have more proof than just a "because I say so", to convince some folks.
~*~*~
We've covered earlier here, that only 'God' is 'God',...while a personality can be assumed to be more or less divine, but it is but an individual expression or personification of the One Universal Being, and all beings are individual expressions/extensions of that One, so obviously Jesus is included in the hierarchy, although he may be of a higher divine order of Sonship, he is still never-the-less a 'Son' of the Universal Father, and all created beings down the ladder of creative evolution are the offspring of this Universal One.
God is One.
pj
Because I say so..............
From an outside objective world, the statement that "Jesus is God!" has little or no meaning or value, unless one has been introduced to the religious teaching or concept of such and accepted it. So, a non-believer or a more agnostic/skeptical observer can challenge your 'claim', as being a mere assertion of "because I say so", with no real proof. In other words you'll have to prove that you have more proof than just a "because I say so", to convince some folks.
~*~*~
We've covered earlier here, that only 'God' is 'God',...while a personality can be assumed to be more or less divine, but it is but an individual expression or personification of the One Universal Being, and all beings are individual expressions/extensions of that One, so obviously Jesus is included in the hierarchy, although he may be of a higher divine order of Sonship, he is still never-the-less a 'Son' of the Universal Father, and all created beings down the ladder of creative evolution are the offspring of this Universal One.
God is One.
pj
i have explained in detail, my belief and reasons. i don't make things complicated and i'm not speaking to unbelievers. i reply only to those that post against the Jesus is God fact or against the Trinity. i know exactly what The Bible says and what it means. for starters, i point to John 1:1,2, also John 1:14. that's just the tip of the iceburg. OT and NT show it clearly. i would love to discuss this in depth with you, as i have seen several of your posts that merit serious discussion. i like your style. i stopped trying to convince anyone of anything long ago. i simply state my view. all in line with scripture. too late tonight for me now. for deeper dialogue, please make points other than the obvious. peace :rapture: thanks freelance :salute:
no, but jehovah witness are up there already :cow:
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Taoism......
Taoism......
Excellent, we can learn a lot from the great masters and traditions of the East. Learning to live a life free of anger, unforgiveness, fear, hate and malice is to live free of bondage and suffering, as much as is possible, since one has surrended all to Spirit, and is living by the principle, will and guidance of such, bearing the fruit of that divine nature, which is life and peace,...existence, consciousness, bliss. Such is true 'yoga' (union with Spirit)....and moksha (liberation).
If anything we should not aspire to be a troll, but a pure window of God-consciousness,...radiating only His Light, being that Light.
I'll keep a note to revisit the subject of healing in the UB thread. As a short summary, it appears that record says Jesus did indeed perform some true miracles of healing, but other accounts are embellished. The power of faith still yields its fruit, and there is nothing impossible to him who believes and moves in the power of the divine will, so that faith ought to abandon itself to its infinite potential, even if limited by the dimensional constraints of space and time.
I'm more of a charismatic spiritualist, so have always believed in the full giftings and manifestations of the Spirit, since my experiences of such in the late 80s/early 90's....my awareness being lifted up into those higher realms of pure consciousness and unlimited frontiers of 'faith' in 'God'. Even if my general demeanor is more of the gentle monk or mystic,...I yield my vessel wholly to God to do his wonders and effect his miracles, because only total abandon or surrender to his will and his way, IS the Way. In the wake of his holy silence and divine movements, are signs, wonders and miracles. I've intuited enough of this to know not to stand in His way, but to be his vessel, for the glory is His Alone.
Yes, this is classic to non-dualistic insight and thinking in the eastern traditions, where the one universal ground of existence, the primal unity at the heart of all, is prior to and transcends all duality-perception (good/bad; right/wrong)....for one realizes the Tao as it is, in its pure natural flow, there being no resistance. In the free-flow of the Tao, we abide in 'wu wei',...the spontaneous action of non-action,....effortless doing.
You do know however that some more rigid traditional-orthodox Christians can find no place for this Taoist concept or practice, since there is no formal place for it, beyond the more mystical practices of centering prayer, meditation, contemplation, communion.
Not sure if you remember my 'Taoism' thread, its no longer extant. We were about half way thru doing commentary on the Tao Te Ching. What is beautiful and simple about this philosophy, is that it is so natural.
pj
Taoism......
Excellent, we can learn a lot from the great masters and traditions of the East. Learning to live a life free of anger, unforgiveness, fear, hate and malice is to live free of bondage and suffering, as much as is possible, since one has surrended all to Spirit, and is living by the principle, will and guidance of such, bearing the fruit of that divine nature, which is life and peace,...existence, consciousness, bliss. Such is true 'yoga' (union with Spirit)....and moksha (liberation).
If anything we should not aspire to be a troll, but a pure window of God-consciousness,...radiating only His Light, being that Light.
I'll keep a note to revisit the subject of healing in the UB thread. As a short summary, it appears that record says Jesus did indeed perform some true miracles of healing, but other accounts are embellished. The power of faith still yields its fruit, and there is nothing impossible to him who believes and moves in the power of the divine will, so that faith ought to abandon itself to its infinite potential, even if limited by the dimensional constraints of space and time.
I'm more of a charismatic spiritualist, so have always believed in the full giftings and manifestations of the Spirit, since my experiences of such in the late 80s/early 90's....my awareness being lifted up into those higher realms of pure consciousness and unlimited frontiers of 'faith' in 'God'. Even if my general demeanor is more of the gentle monk or mystic,...I yield my vessel wholly to God to do his wonders and effect his miracles, because only total abandon or surrender to his will and his way, IS the Way. In the wake of his holy silence and divine movements, are signs, wonders and miracles. I've intuited enough of this to know not to stand in His way, but to be his vessel, for the glory is His Alone.
Yes, this is classic to non-dualistic insight and thinking in the eastern traditions, where the one universal ground of existence, the primal unity at the heart of all, is prior to and transcends all duality-perception (good/bad; right/wrong)....for one realizes the Tao as it is, in its pure natural flow, there being no resistance. In the free-flow of the Tao, we abide in 'wu wei',...the spontaneous action of non-action,....effortless doing.
You do know however that some more rigid traditional-orthodox Christians can find no place for this Taoist concept or practice, since there is no formal place for it, beyond the more mystical practices of centering prayer, meditation, contemplation, communion.
Not sure if you remember my 'Taoism' thread, its no longer extant. We were about half way thru doing commentary on the Tao Te Ching. What is beautiful and simple about this philosophy, is that it is so natural.
pj
yes. sin IS natural , freebird :zoomin:
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
life journey......
life journey......
Indeed, we shall explore these subjects more. We've exhausted the basic Unitarian vs. Trinitarian debates here already, as I 've shared my view can include both perspectives but taken up higher into a more cosmic-universal matrix,...since 'God' is still always the One Universal Presence and Power, the Sole Original UNITY, from which all else derives. All else are but relativities, details, descriptions, words, concepts, cosmetics. Strip down the make-up, and you're left with the bare bolts, substance and elements of which and from which all is made, pure 'spirit'/'consciousness'. Stripped down to the irreducible essence, All is One, no matter how its divided or multiplied. Basic metaphysics, then a full on dive into consciousness studies is key here.
I poke at the claim that 'Jesus is God' from many angles to engage dialogue/research/skepticism, not from an atheistic POV necessarily, but as a liberal philosopher-spiritualist, free thinker, eclectic, forcing us to challenge our assumptions or to see 'beliefs' and 'opinions' as being just that, even if 'faith' and 'intuition' carry us deeper into a spiritual realm or 'knowing' that cannot be validated or proved by material scientific methods. Faith in 'God' is an intimate subjective dynamic, of one's own 'being' connected to divine Being, spirit to spirit,...and can only be 'spiritually' validated or discerned.
In any case,...I'll mull over some new thread ideas, so as not to take up space here, trying to be respectful to the thread-creators, unless they don't mind.
Om shanti,
pj
life journey......
Indeed, we shall explore these subjects more. We've exhausted the basic Unitarian vs. Trinitarian debates here already, as I 've shared my view can include both perspectives but taken up higher into a more cosmic-universal matrix,...since 'God' is still always the One Universal Presence and Power, the Sole Original UNITY, from which all else derives. All else are but relativities, details, descriptions, words, concepts, cosmetics. Strip down the make-up, and you're left with the bare bolts, substance and elements of which and from which all is made, pure 'spirit'/'consciousness'. Stripped down to the irreducible essence, All is One, no matter how its divided or multiplied. Basic metaphysics, then a full on dive into consciousness studies is key here.
I poke at the claim that 'Jesus is God' from many angles to engage dialogue/research/skepticism, not from an atheistic POV necessarily, but as a liberal philosopher-spiritualist, free thinker, eclectic, forcing us to challenge our assumptions or to see 'beliefs' and 'opinions' as being just that, even if 'faith' and 'intuition' carry us deeper into a spiritual realm or 'knowing' that cannot be validated or proved by material scientific methods. Faith in 'God' is an intimate subjective dynamic, of one's own 'being' connected to divine Being, spirit to spirit,...and can only be 'spiritually' validated or discerned.
In any case,...I'll mull over some new thread ideas, so as not to take up space here, trying to be respectful to the thread-creators, unless they don't mind.
Om shanti,
pj
When I first read that dao and mind sickness quote, I thought it was from the devil himself but over 15 years I've got to thinking that if one does all those tracing the source of a single thought and further forget that single thought, the mind becomes empty and reality becomes more clear. Over the years of practice, I believe I'm on a higher level than most everyday men doing everyday things. That's why I'd rather undo more things than read anymore new stuff like UB, or fight low level self claimed, self salvation folks here..
In some zen testimonies, one gets sudden enlightenment and the watch on the arm becomes one with the body or the book shelves joins the mind. Once awaken, the trees do talk and tell you they have been in that state long before you realize reality.
In short, the more you undo, the more you see the real reality meaning you go outside human everyday language. Meaning man can't explain things to everyday people with regular human language. That's why they can't explain the Tao. Yet idiots here explains the Tao and even split Jesus and God into two.
Falun Dafa is still spooky but it has similarities to some ancient Chinese past. I still believe Jesus learned Chinese past. I still think Jesus went to the East in His missing years. One spooky headline states Jesus was a Buddhist monk but I think Buddhism came after 100ad. Many similarities in bible and eastern quotes.
I think the UB came through channeling but I wouldn't cut it down like stupid everyday idiots doing everyday things. They are like cave people afraid the moon might fall on them.
oatmeal
Well-known member
Are you sure?
Maybe that was a reference to Peter who supposed to be the rock that Jesus builds his church on. Just ask the RCC, they'll tell you.
beloved57
Well-known member
Yes I am sure ! Did you understand that which I posted ? Review the post again with me and the points I made showing that you understand the reasoning !
Jesus is God and he is our brother so we must share our inheritance from our Father with him.
Straightshot
New member
Jesus is "God" [John 14:8-9]
You quote proved what you said
wwwhhhaaaaatt ? ? uh, ok. :noway:
keypurr
Well-known member
Welcome to TOL but your wrong;
Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Listen to the words of your Lord about his God.
keypurr
Well-known member
HOW?