Jesus' Commandments

[Squeaky]

Am I?

Was it the new covenant that made eating of human flesh a sign of evil depravity?

You did say Christians can eat anything...

And are quite ready to make Peter a liar when he says the vision was about goys were to be reached with the gospel...not we can eat anything...

Luckily for you he had the vision and interpreted it the way he did or the gospel would not have been opened to you...

So it's your pick... it was about his being able to eat bacon...or your salvation

I said
Just read your bible.

Rom 14:1-4
1 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things.
2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables.
3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him.
4 Who are you to judge another's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
(NKJ)

 

[meshak]

But what and how to obey remain the issues...

Lots of ideas around here...

Jesus is love: If you strive to obey all His teachings, you are practicing love.

Jesus the Lord of love.

 

[meshak]

clefty, it seems that you have a problem with Jesus' commandments like many churchgoers.

Why?

 

[clefty]

clefty, it seems that you have a problem with Jesus' commandments

oh yeah? How so?

like many churchgoers.

that is true

Why?

because many church goers misrepresent...deceive and lead astray...

Like your saying He is Lord of love...

He said He was the Lord of the Sabbath...not love

 

[Squeaky]

Jesus is love: If you strive to obey all His teachings, you are practicing love.

Jesus the Lord of love.

I said

John 14:15
15 "If you love Me, keep My commandments.
(NKJ)

 

[clefty]

I said

John 14:15
15 "If you love Me, keep My commandments.
(NKJ)

Yup...Including that we pray the times of trouble not interfere with Sabbath keeping...

 

[Squeaky]

Yup...Including that we pray the times of trouble not interfere with Sabbath keeping...

I said
If you are fully convinced in keeping it, then keep it. I am fully convinced in not keeping it.

Rom 14:5
5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.
(NKJ)

Col 2:16
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,
(NKJ)

 

[Jacob]

JESUS COMMANDMENTS (RULE, LAW, ORDER)

Heb 7:12
12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
John 15:10
10 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
I Jn 2:4-5
4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.
John 14:21
21 "He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him."
Matt 4:4
4 But He answered and said, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.'"
Matt 28:20
20 "teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.
Matt 24:35
35 "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
I Jn 2:3
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
I Jn 5:3
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
II Th 3:4
4 And we have confidence in the Lord concerning you, both that you do and will do the things we command you.
John 15:14
14 "You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.
1 Tim 4:11
11 These things command and teach.
1 Cor 7:10
10 Now to the married I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife is not to depart from her husband.
Matt 28:20
20 "teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.
Heb 13:8
8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
Phile 1:21
21 Having confidence in your obedience, I write to you, knowing that you will do even more than I say.
Matt 5:20
20 "For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
John 15:10
10 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
Acts 17:30
30 "Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent,
II Jn 1:5-6
5 And now I plead with you, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment to you, but that which we have had from the beginning: that we love one another.
6 This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.
Matt 19:17-21
17 So He said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."
18 He said to Him, "Which ones?" Jesus said," 'You shall not murder,' 'You shall not commit adultery,' 'You shall not steal,' 'You shall not bear false witness,'
19 'Honor your father and your mother,' and, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'"
20 The young man said to Him, "All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?"
21 Jesus said to him, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me."
Rom 13:9
9 For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery," "You shall not murder," "You shall not steal," "You shall not bear false witness," "You shall not covet," and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
Matt 22:37-40
37 Jesus said to him," 'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.'
38 "This is the first and great commandment.
39 "And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'
40 "On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
John 13:34-38
34 "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
35 "By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
36 Simon Peter said to Him, "Lord, where are You going?" Jesus answered him, "Where I am going you cannot follow Me now, but you shall follow Me afterward."
37 Peter said to Him, "Lord, why can I not follow You now? I will lay down my life for Your sake."
38 Jesus answered him, "Will you lay down your life for My sake? Most assuredly, I say to you, the rooster shall not crow till you have denied Me three times.
Matt 5:19
19 "Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
I Jn 4:20-21
20 If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen?
21 And this commandment we have from Him: that he who loves God must love his brother also.
John 14:21
21 "He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him."
John 15:17
17 "These things I command you, that you love one another.
I Jn 2:4
4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
I Jn 2:3
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
James 1:12-15
12 Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.
13 Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone.
14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed.
15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.
James 1:22-24
22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.
23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror;
24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was.
James 1:25
25 But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.
James 2:17
17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
James 2:20
20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
James 2:26
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
1 Tim 6:12
12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.
1 Tim 6:14-16
14 that you keep this commandment without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ's appearing,
15 which He will manifest in His own time, He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords,
16 who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen.
James 2:12
12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.
Rom 8:2
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:1
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
I Jn 5:3-4
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world-- our faith.
Acts 1:1-3
1 The former account I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
2 until the day in which He was taken up, after He through the Holy Spirit had given commandments to the apostles whom He had chosen,
3 to whom He also presented Himself alive after His suffering by many infallible proofs, being seen by them during forty days and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God.
I Jn 3:20-24
20 For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things.
21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God.
22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.
23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.
24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
Rev 22:14
14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
I Jn 3:22-24
22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.
23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.
24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
(NKJ)
xxx To have faith in Jesus is to agree with His changes in the law. You cant have faith in Jesus without having faith in the changes He made in the law. You cant have faith in Jesus without keeping His commandments.The new testament is the new law that over rides the old testament law. And Jesus gave us many comandments to obey.



John 15:13-14
13 "Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his friends.
14 "You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.
(NKJ)


Matt 28:19-20
19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20 "teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.
(NKJ)

1 Tim 6:12-14
12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.
13 I urge you in the sight of God who gives life to all things, and before Christ Jesus who witnessed the good confession before Pontius Pilate,
14 that you keep this commandment without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ's appearing,
(NKJ)


2 Pet 3:1-2

1 Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle (in both of which I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder),
2 that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior,
(NKJ)

It is important to me how you think of these things. Do you understand that salvation has always been by grace through faith? Also, you have spoken of the new covenant here I believe. Do you know the verses in the Bible about the new covenant?

 

[Squeaky]

It is important to me how you think of these things. Do you understand that salvation has always been by grace through faith? Also, you have spoken of the new covenant here I believe. Do you know the verses in the Bible about the new covenant?

I said
We were saved by faith through grace. But salvation must be worked for. They are different.

Phil 2:12-13
12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
(NKJ)

The definition of covenant is testament.

1242 diatheke (dee-ath-ay'-kay);

from 1303; properly, a disposition, i.e. (specially) a contract (especially a devisory will):

KJV-- covenant, testament.

 

[Jacob]

I said
We were saved by faith through grace. But salvation must be worked for. They are different.

Phil 2:12-13
12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
(NKJ)

The definition of covenant is testament.

1242 diatheke (dee-ath-ay'-kay);

from 1303; properly, a disposition, i.e. (specially) a contract (especially a devisory will):

KJV-- covenant, testament.

No. We are saved by grace through faith.

See Ephesians 2:8-9 NASB.

Ephesians 2:8-10 NASB - 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

 

[Squeaky]

No. We are saved by grace through faith.

See Ephesians 2:8-9 NASB.

Ephesians 2:8-10 NASB - 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

I said
What you don't seem to understand is that saved and salvation are different. Saved is temporary while salvation is eternal. Your saved so that you can work out your salvation.

 

[Jacob]

I said
What you don't seem to understand is that saved and salvation are different. Saved is temporary while salvation is eternal. Your saved so that you can work out your salvation.

I know about the words saved and salvation. We should read and understand what the scriptures say. My understanding can change.

Have you seen the phrase, "have been saved"?

 

[Squeaky]

Did Jesus save you from your sins?

I said
Yes that is how He saves us, by obeying Him. Jesus made the Way, we have to walk it.

 

[patrick jane]

I said
Yes that is how He saves us, by obeying Him. Jesus made the Way, we have to walk it.

So you have to do your part in salvation?

 

[Lilstu]

So you have to do your part in salvation?

What Does Scripture Say?

Saved by FAITH or WORKS?

James 2:24 (New American Standard Bible)
You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

James 2:20 (New American Standard Bible)
But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?

1 Corinthians 7:19 (New American Standard Bible)
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.

2 Corinthians 5:10 (New American Standard Bible)
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

Revelation 22:12 (King James Version)
And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

 

[Bright Raven]

What Does Scripture Say?

Saved by FAITH or WORKS?

James 2:24 (New American Standard Bible)
You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

James 2:20 (New American Standard Bible)
But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?

1 Corinthians 7:19 (New American Standard Bible)
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.

2 Corinthians 5:10 (New American Standard Bible)
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

Revelation 22:12 (King James Version)
And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Ephesians 2:8-9 New International Version (NIV)

8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

 

[Lilstu]

Ephesians 2:8-9 New International Version (NIV)

8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

Jesus' Salvation Plan

Matthew 19:16-17
And someone came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?” 17 And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

Luke 19:8-10
8 Zaccheus stopped and said to the Lord, “Behold, Lord, half of my possessions I will give to the poor, and if I have defrauded anyone of anything, I will give back four times as much.” 9 And Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, because he, too, is a son of Abraham. 10 For the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost.”

John 5:28-29
Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29 and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

Luke 10:25-28
And a lawyer stood up and put Him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 And He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?” 27 And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.” 28 And He said to him, “You have answered correctly; do this and you will live.”

 

[Squeaky]

Ephesians 2:8-9 New International Version (NIV)

8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

I said
The one verse lone ranger. You know all these other verses. And you know they override your one verse. And you also know that if you don't share them all you are sinning.

James 4:17
17 Therefore, to him who knows to do good and does not do it, to him it is sin.
(NKJ)



James 2:26
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
(NKJ)


James 2:20-22
20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?
22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?
(NKJ)

 

[clefty]

I said
If you are fully convinced in keeping it, then keep it. I am fully convinced in not keeping it.

by adding to the word? Even peter warned there were those that distorted and twisted Paul's writings...and here you are...

Rom 14:5
5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.
(NKJ)

Is about which day to fast...Paul was clear there remains for the people of God a Sabbath keeping Heb 4:9...

Col 2:16
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,
(NKJ)

But the church...the Body of Christ...The Colossians were keeping the Sabbath btw

As Paul did...and he told us to copy him as he copied Christ...and Christ's way does not include Sunday Ham

 

[marhig]

Ephesians 2:8-9 New International Version (NIV)

8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

I agree with that scripture but I believe that we are to do the works, just not works that glorify us in the flesh, or works that make us look good or for gain that's what Paul means, he's talking about works that we would boast about, puffing ourselves up making ourselves look good or important.

Nebuchadnezzar is an example of this, he prospered because of God and then he took the glory of it for himself, and God cut him down until he was humbled, and he suffered until he praised, honoured and glorified God. Luckily Nebuchadnezzar still had his roots and they weren't plucked up!

Those who are born of God, do the works of God, being guided by the spirit and doing many things that we would never do in the flesh because it's against our nature. These are the works that James talks about, and these works glorify God.

Anything we do should glorify God and Gods true people will know that it's nothing that they do, because they know what their flesh is really like without God. Everything is what God has done, and we obey him and follow it through even going against our will to please him.

But faith without works is dead of we have true faith, then we will live it out. And God judges us on what do. Do we listen to him and do it, or not. We have a choice every day. Serve God, or serve sin and Satan.