I just don't know why you said we.
Jaybird was talking about christian communities in general.
my goodness.
I just don't know why you said we.
Shalom Jacob.
if someone is seeking what Jesus taught IMO thats all that matters. if they call themselves JW, Ebonite, or Franciscan it makes little difference to me.
their were crowds of believers that followed Jesus, some thought He was Elijah, john the baptist, or one of the prophets, none the less they still followed Him and listened to what He had to say.
Jaybird was talking about christian communities in general.
my goodness.
Do you mean Theology Online of which I am a part or something else?
never mind.
blessings.
I met a JW who has since passed. I have been to a Kingdom Hall. He talked with me about the military or war. It is because he was against it. I grew up a pacifist. I have never been in the military.
If I were to become the President of the United States of America I would be The Commander in Chief or The Commander and Chief (I am honest that I forget how the Constitution reads).
I do not like war. I am against it. I have never been to war. By the definition of Torah though I might be a warrior. I am not strong or big or any thing. I have just been through a lot.
I am Jesus' follower. Or, I am a follower of Jesus. I am His disciple.
Shalom.
Jacob
I believe it will be Jesus who will literally stand upon the Mount of Olives, and although it will not be Yahweh, God the Father, Jesus will represent Yahweh in this action. I believe that this will be a fulfillment of Acts 1:11. JWs do not believe that Jesus will literally return to the earth.First point: It is not Jesus whose feet stand upon the Mount of Olives, but it is Jehovah whose feet symbolically stand on the Mount of Olives. There is a deeper meaning to the verses, and none of it is a literal standing by Jehovah.
Yes I agree that it is Yahweh, God the Father that will send Jesus back to the earth. But Jesus will then no longer be in heaven as Acts 3:20-21 clearly state. JWs teach that Jesus does not literally return, but stays in heaven with the 144,000.Second point: I commented about Acts 1:9-11 already, and I hope you found it above. (I started reading through this thread all over again, from the beginning, since it's been a while since I participated in it.) I don't see Acts. 3:19-21 the way you do. Verse 19 is speaking of the Father (YHWH, God)....times of refreshing shall come from the presence of "the Lord," which is YHWH, and he shall send Jesus Christ. Isn't Jesus Christ SENT, according to verse 20? Who sends him? The "he" of the previous verse, YHWH/Jehovah. "The Lord" of verse 19 could not be Jesus, because Jesus is being sent BY the someone in the previous verse.
Now, I don't understand what your hesitation is to agree with us on that point.
war is always bad, they always benefit the few at the expense of millions. the people that start the wars never fight in them. if i made a decision that cost someone their life i could not live with the shame of it, the ones that start wars are not humans.
I do not know why you consider that the resurrection of the body of Jesus would make his sacrifice null and void. There are various expressions for the sacrifice of Christ, he gave his body, he gave his life, he gave himself, he poured out his soul unto death. The witness to the Jews in Acts 2 was that the tomb was empty, and that God had raised him. He was raised from the dead, meaning his body was made alive again, and changed from a mortal body into an immortal or spirit body. To focus on his body does not take in the full picture. I believe that a spirit body has substance and Jesus' spirit body was the same body changed so that it no longer dependent on food and air, nor blood to live forever. A spirit body is not ethereal or like a ghost.If Jesus had been resurrected in the same body he died in, his sacrifice would be null and void. He GAVE UP his physical human life so that we could live forever. He wasn't going to take it back. He returned to the state that he was in---a spirit body---before he came to the earth.
"It is even so written: 'The first man Adam became a living soul.' The last Adam became a life-giving spirit." (I Corinthians 15:45)
"Even Christ died once for all time concerning sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, that he might lead you to God, he being put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit." (I Peter 3:18)
I couldn't join the military because I couldn't kill someone. Murder is against the Law. It is against God's Law. Not joining the military is not participating in or with killing people or being associated with those who do. A pacifist could theoretically join the military or be a part of the military or be in the military.
The war is politics and of the world. Jesus says His followers are not of the world.
His followers should not join in the military.
I met a JW who has since passed. I have been to a Kingdom Hall. He talked with me about the military or war. It is because he was against it. I grew up a pacifist. I have never been in the military.
If I were to become the President of the United States of America I would be The Commander in Chief or The Commander and Chief (I am honest that I forget how the Constitution reads).
I do not like war. I am against it. I have never been to war. By the definition of Torah though I might be a warrior. I am not strong or big or any thing. I have just been through a lot.
I am Jesus' follower. Or, I am a follower of Jesus. I am His disciple.
Shalom.
Jacob
Greetings again KingdomRose,
I believe it will be Jesus who will literally stand upon the Mount of Olives, and although it will not be Yahweh, God the Father, Jesus will represent Yahweh in this action. I believe that this will be a fulfillment of Acts 1:11. JWs do not believe that Jesus will literally return to the earth.
Yes I agree that it is Yahweh, God the Father that will send Jesus back to the earth. But Jesus will then no longer be in heaven as Acts 3:20-21 clearly state. JWs teach that Jesus does not literally return, but stays in heaven with the 144,000.
Kind regards
Trevor
Shalom.That is awesome! I know you have been on this forum for a long time, and I am always interested in what you have to say. I commend you for being agreeable enough to actually check out a Kingdom Hall, and you conversed with the JW brother. You have the right attitude about war and the military. Jesus taught to be peaceable and even love our enemies (Matt.5:44). In the Tanakh and other O.T. books, Israel is depicted as fighting wars, and indeed they did. But the big difference is....YHWH was telling them what to do, every step of the way. Today is YHWH telling the warring nations what to do? No. They have members of the same religions fighting each other, one on one side and one on the other side. God has no part in these wars.
Keep searching for truth. Jesus said, "Keep on knocking." (Matthew 7:7,8) You are doing well.
Shalom.
YHVH our God, He is God. YHVH our God is one.
I don't know what you mean by warring nations or members of the same religions fighting each other.
My point is if there is no Old Covenant today and if or since the Law has not been abolished, yes we love our enemies, but what are we to do according to God's law? Do we do something or nothing? Can Israel we defend itself our self? Does God tell us what to do? What does God's Law say? Are we to follow it (today)? We speak of war and militaries, but what does God's Word say?
I don't know that it says Keep on knocking, but we have now conversed begun a conversation or said our part.
You spoke of the Tanakh. You said other O.T. books. I accept the TaNaK. I do not know what you are talking about. I do know that there is a reading of the Old Covenant. I read study observe keep and teach the Torah. I do not know what the reading of the Old Covenant is. I do not know what the Old Covenant is. The Ten Commandments.
No war. No military.
Yet Israel and the United States of America. For or in Israel do we have a military or is there something according to Torah not by that term or terminology?
War means different things to different people. Some people speak of a conflict. I don't know what the lie is. I do not know what it means to mount a campaign.
We should be making peace. It is among our highest duties. The study of Torah leads to making peace. But the study of Torah is equal to them all, because it leads to them all. Let us learn in order to teach. Let us learn in order to do.
Shalom.
Jacob
The politics are not concern for Jesus' followers.
You dont seem to understand this concept.
I am not into politics. I have no idea what you are saying or what you are talking about.
Never mind.
We cannot communicate.
You certainly have a different perspective. I do not believe that Jesus will establish the Kingdom on earth by remote control, but with hands on. To suggest a parallel concept, when he came down from preaching in Matthew 5-7 he healed a leper by touching him, and thus healed him, something nobody else could do. Rather than nullifying his sacrifice, he will make his sacrifice effective in all the earth until the whole earth is filled with Yahweh’s glory Numbers 14:21, Habakkuk 2:14, Isaiah 2:1-4, Zechariah 14, Acts 3:19-21. He was shown in glory at the transfiguration and this is a precursor as to what he will be like at his return in glory 2 Peter 1:16-18.Yes, you are right that we teach that. I don't see that anything in Acts would lead us to believe that Jesus will physically come back to the earth. He lives now in "unapproachable light" (I Timothy 6:16) that no man can see, so why would he leave that glorious spirit realm to come back down to the earth? He has left his physical human life for good. He wouldn't take back his sacrifice.
Shalom.
YHVH our God, He is God. YHVH our God is one.
I don't know what you mean by warring nations or members of the same religions fighting each other.
My point is if there is no Old Covenant today and if or since the Law has not been abolished, yes we love our enemies, but what are we to do according to God's law? Do we do something or nothing? Can Israel we defend itself our self? Does God tell us what to do? What does God's Law say? Are we to follow it (today)? We speak of war and militaries, but what does God's Word say?
I don't know that it says Keep on knocking, but we have now conversed begun a conversation or said our part.
You spoke of the Tanakh. You said other O.T. books. I accept the TaNaK. I do not know what you are talking about. I do know that there is a reading of the Old Covenant. I read study observe keep and teach the Torah. I do not know what the reading of the Old Covenant is. I do not know what the Old Covenant is. The Ten Commandments.
No war. No military.
Yet Israel and the United States of America. For or in Israel do we have a military or is there something according to Torah not by that term or terminology?
War means different things to different people. Some people speak of a conflict. I don't know what the lie is. I do not know what it means to mount a campaign.
We should be making peace. It is among our highest duties. The study of Torah leads to making peace. But the study of Torah is equal to them all, because it leads to them all. Let us learn in order to teach. Let us learn in order to do.
Shalom.
Jacob