JEFFERSON's AVATAR

[Granite]

He won't change it so what's the point talking about it? The avatar is there for shock value and as such it's incredibly effective.

 

[Lighthouse]

You can have your opinions on abortion and I can have mine. I don't feel it is murder, you do. Fine. You can call me an advocate of murder all you want, I wont appreciate the sentiment, but I'll understand its your opinion. But when you deliberately edit my posts to make it say something I wasn't saying, in my own opinion, that crosses a line with me. I think its immature and tasteless. What if I edited one of your posts to make it look like you said, "I am a child molester." Admittedly a bit more drastic than what you did, but the same principal none the less. If you have a disagreement with my opinions then engage me in a debate. Don't go around editing my posts and twisting them to be in accordance with your own beliefs and opinions. Not that I feel any of what I say will stop you, I don't know if I could live with myself knowing that I didn't. I've said my peace.

Do want to have an actual debate about abortion now? Or are you just going to edit all my posts to make it look like I'm an advocate of rape or child pornography?

You're opinion is wrong. That is, the opinion that you weren't saying you believe we have a right to choose to murder unborn children. Because that is exactly what you were saying.

Now, Kleenex or Puffs?

 

[Lighthouse]

:think:

Are you? I mean ... are you personally pro-rape, but socially against it?

Or vice versa?

 

[Freethinker93]

Why should we care if you don't feel you said it? You said it. Plain and simple. You said you believe a woman has the right to choose to kill her unborn child. That is murder. There are no two ways about it.


Here's the thing; he didn't change it to say something completely different. He modified it to clarify what you had actually said. It says the same exact thing, except more precisely.

And I'm not the one who quoted you. Stripe is.

But I don't feel it is murder so that is not what I was saying. You can't take someone elses opinions and twist them to fit your own. You see it as murder, I don't. That doesn't give anyone the right to alter another's words.

 

[Lighthouse]

But I don't feel it is murder so that is not what I was saying. You can't take someone elses opinions and twist them to fit your own. You see it as murder, I don't. That doesn't give anyone the right to alter another's words.

It doesn't matter how you feel. It's murder, period. You can claim it's not all you want, but that doesn't change the fact. And since you haven't sufficiently argued that it isn't murder you have nothing on which to stand.

Let me help you get started: If it isn't murder, what is it?

 

[Freethinker93]

You're upset that I edited your quote, but you're not upset that I said you are "for murder"?

Wow, you need help. :help:

Yes, that is correct. I am not bothered by the murderer comment because I see it as just an ignorant shortsighted slight at me. I brush it off. Your words are nothing to me. You are nothing to me. But my words I take seriously. They are mine, no one elses. You can call me what you will, but my words are something that are important to me.

I accept your titles such as murderer because I know they are your opinions. I cant change them and would be a fool to attempt. But when you twist my words, that just gives me validation to call you an ignorant fool who feels threatened by the simplest of disagreements with your beliefs and rather than attempting to engage me in debate would rather alter my words to better fit your own perverse and vulgar depiction of my beliefs and opinions. You sir, are a fool, and I will gladly waste even more of my breathe and time stating just that.

 

[Freethinker93]

It doesn't matter how you feel. It's murder, period. You can claim it's not all you want, but that doesn't change the fact. And since you haven't sufficiently argued that it isn't murder you have nothing on which to stand.

Let me help you get started: If it isn't murder, what is it?

Common argument of a christian. It doesn't matter what you feel, it only matters what I feel. Is that really how you go about your day to day life? How sad and unfortunate.

I was not aware that I supposed to be defending my opinion, I was under the impression we were talking about my comment being hijacked by an individual more interested in calling me a murderer than having a serious debate. But if I must defend myself I shall.

If it is not murder then what is it? Simply, callously, and perhaps coldly, the removal of an unwanted growth from ones body. I see abortion as no different than having a tumor removed. It does not think, it does not speak, I do not feel it is alive. What you call murder, I call removal of an unwanted irritant. Hows that?

 

[Freethinker93]

You're opinion is wrong. That is, the opinion that you weren't saying you believe we have a right to choose to murder unborn children. Because that is exactly what you were saying.

Now, Kleenex or Puffs?

My opinion, is that it is not murder. I could be saying that your opinion is wrong, but opinions cannot be either right nor wrong. They are a statement of personal belief. Its a fool's errand to try and decide whose opinion is right and whose is wrong, as an opinion cannot be either.

To say my opinion is wrong is to speak like a tyrant. To say that my opinion is wrong and yours is right is about all I expected from a mindless sheep such as yourself. Following along "God's path" like a roaming zombie. You want to call my opinion wrong? So be it, but all you are doing is depicting yourself as a fool that doesn't seem to grasp that opinions cannot be right and cannot be wrong. They are perspectives. Get a clue.

 

[Jefferson]

I think he should change it. It's too small. It should be bigger.

I can make it bigger?

 

[Lighthouse]

Common argument of a christian. It doesn't matter what you feel, it only matters what I feel. Is that really how you go about your day to day life? How sad and unfortunate.

This has nothing to do with how I feel. It's simply the simple truth, aka fact of the matter.

I was not aware that I supposed to be defending my opinion, I was under the impression we were talking about my comment being hijacked by an individual more interested in calling me a murderer than having a serious debate. But if I must defend myself I shall.

This is a debate forum, twit. If you're going to state your opinion you better be ready to defend it, because the people here are going to take you to task on it.

If it is not murder then what is it? Simply, callously, and perhaps coldly, the removal of an unwanted growth from ones body. I see abortion as no different than having a tumor removed. It does not think, it does not speak, I do not feel it is alive. What you call murder, I call removal of an unwanted irritant. Hows that?

That is pathetic justification. And what is it with you and feelings? How does whether or not the child feels alive have anything to do with it? It is alive, even if it has no idea what that means.

As Chris Cornell's theme from Casino Royale goes, "When you take a life do you know what you give? Odds are you won't like what it is."

My opinion, is that it is not murder. I could be saying that your opinion is wrong, but opinions cannot be either right nor wrong. They are a statement of personal belief. Its a fool's errand to try and decide whose opinion is right and whose is wrong, as an opinion cannot be either.

If you told me it was your opinion that the cup on my desk wasn't white I would tell you the same thing, your opinion is wrong.

"It's not murder if I don't believe it's murder." Is that seriously your stance? That's ridiculously stupid.

To say my opinion is wrong is to speak like a tyrant. To say that my opinion is wrong and yours is right is about all I expected from a mindless sheep such as yourself. Following along "God's path" like a roaming zombie. You want to call my opinion wrong? So be it, but all you are doing is depicting yourself as a fool that doesn't seem to grasp that opinions cannot be right and cannot be wrong. They are perspectives. Get a clue.

My opinion has nothing to do with it. A fact is not an opinion and an opinion is not a fact. And when an opinion disagrees with, or denies, a fact it is wrong. Plain and simple.

The fact is abortion is the intentional taking of the life of an unborn child. That child is, by definition, innocent of any malfeasance whatsoever, let alone atrocities deserving the penalty of death. It is murder to take the life of an innocent human being. Thus it is murder to abort an unborn child. This is not an opinion, it is a fact.

As for the zombie comment:

I must have been confused or vain
to let this evil in my brain.
Lord did I enjoy the change
that you made inside my heart?
Oh here they come
I'm not afraid
there's no temptation I can't evade.
Stand up straight
look through the haze
I begin to walk through the maze
here they come
they're all up on me
but I'm dead to sin like
some kind of zombie.
I hear you speak and I obey
some kind of zombie
I walked away from the grave
some kind of zombie
I will never be afraid
some kind of zombie
I gave my life away.
I'm obliged and obey
I'm enslaved to what you say.

-"Some Kind of Zombie"
Some Kind of Zombie
Audio Adrenaline

 

[Lighthouse]

I can make it bigger?

Yes.

 

[chatmaggot]

But I don't feel it is murder...

When did truth become dependent upon how someone feels?

Does the grass care if I don't feel that it is green?

 

[madman]

My opinion, is that it is not murder.

What do you call it then, a Saturday outing with your girlfriend?

 

[Yorzhik]

Time Magazine seems to think Jefferson's avatar is good. And no one gives them grief about it.

 

[Stripe]

I can make it bigger?

You can have a pic of size 125x200, but I don't think you could make it any larger without rotation.

 

[Granite]

Time Magazine seems to think Jefferson's avatar is good. And no one gives them grief about it.

Come again?

 

[Rusha]

Common argument of a christian.

Being against the taking of the life of an innocent, unborn baby has nothing to do with religion but everything to do with advocating protection for those who are innocent and unable to protect themselves.

It doesn't matter what you feel, it only matters what I feel. Is that really how you go about your day to day life? How sad and unfortunate.

IF RvsW were overturned, would you still be making this same statement? IF it were legal to have slaves or for a parent to beat and kill their BORN children, would you still be making this argument?

I was not aware that I supposed to be defending my opinion, I was under the impression we were talking about my comment being hijacked by an individual more interested in calling me a murderer than having a serious debate. But if I must defend myself I shall.

In a debate/discussion forum, you will always need to defend your opinion and POV, just as I do. I am not saying that to be snarky, but it's just the way it works. FTR, I am one of the few nonChristians on this boards who is anti-abortion and pro-death penalty, so I am constantly defending my POV to those who believe otherwise. It's actually a good thing because it makes you reevaluate your position and either come to a different conclusion or find better arguments.

If it is not murder then what is it? Simply, callously, and perhaps coldly, the removal of an unwanted growth from ones body. I see abortion as no different than having a tumor removed. It does not think, it does not speak, I do not feel it is alive. What you call murder, I call removal of an unwanted irritant. Hows that?

EVERY man/woman/boy/girl that lives and breathes are LITERALLY *walking, talking tumors* according to your own logic. Should you or I or one of our loved one's be removed from society because someone places no value in our existence?

I don't think so. Bottomline, unplanned pregnancies are totally avoidable except in cases of rape, which is rare.

Why should an innocent, unborn child be the victim of his/her mother and father's selfish *choice*?

The *choice* should be made PRIOR to getting pregnant.

 

[Rusha]

BTW, in reference to Jefferson's avatar ... IF it offends you, I will tell you the same thing that pro-aborts love to throw out in their defense of slaughtering the unborn:

It's Jefferson's *choice* to offend those who advocate the slaughter of the unborn by making their handiwork visual and unavoidable from the viewers.

 

[DoogieTalons]

It's a stupid picture, why don't you Christians have a pornographic picture of two men together to convince us being gay is evil.

It's needless attention seeking using a dead baby to do it. Also because he's an op, you can't put the loon on ignore.

 

[Rusha]

I would STILL like for one person who is a pro-abort to explain why this avatar is offensive or upsetting.

Seriously, IF one truly does not believe that abortion is the intentional killing of an unborn baby, then what's the big deal?

What's wrong with with displaying the bloody aftermath of a *parasite* or *single cell* after it has been destroyed?