James 1:1 refutes MAD

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You're making OT prophecy higher than revealed NT truth.
No, I am not. EVERYTHING that God says will happen, will happen.

You're just too deep in your silly ideas to understand anything.

The prophets of old did not have a complete revelation like that which was given in the NT. They saw thru a glass darkly, even the apostles had a difficult time accepting the Gentiles when they received the Holy Spirit and were included in the covenant of grace. You're going backwards instead of forward.
The "new testament" does not cancel anything in the old COVENANT or the prophecies given by God.
 

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It's better than teaching that the new covenant is a covenant of flesh worshippers like you. In the dispensational hermeneutic there is zero difference between the old covenant and new covenant. They are the same where God blesses the people of flesh with an earthly kingdom. Jesus said you have to be born-again to be part of his kingdom and that it is not of this world.

The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you Luke 17:20,21
The YOU in that verse is PLURAL.

No chance that you'll understand what that means.
 

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You're a lost soul, one of many. The disciples were not from twelve ethnic tribes seeing two sets of disciples were brothers. The apostles minus Judas plus Paul were twelve born-again representatives of the Israel of God or household of faith.
Where does the Bible say that there is a one-to-one correlation between the tribe from which each of the twelve apostles came and the twelve tribes that they will judge?

Hint: NOWHERE.
 

heir

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I belong to a mysterious and lost 13th clan. The spiritual tribes of Israel are called clans for those in the know which is not you. There are 5 Orthodox clans, 3 Catholic clans and 4 Protestant clans. People only get promoted to the clan ranks when they gain a full understanding of the gospel. Catholic and Orthodox clan members often come from the monasteries where only one in a thousand ever comes to an understanding that human works are worthless in the eyes of God. The Protestant clans are Anglican, Calvinist, Lutheran and Arminian. The Anglican and Lutheran clans promote from within their organization. The Calvinist clan promotes from Presbyterian and Reformed churches. The Arminian clan promotes from Baptist, Methodist and Pentecostal churches. The Protestant clans have no monastic structure so they use fringe churches like SDA, Mormon and Jehovah's witnesses in a monastic capacity. Christians in those churches who figure out the utter worthlessness of their extra biblical teachings and overt legalism are often promoted to various Protestant clans. New clan members are often shocked to discover that at the higher ranks Orthodox, Catholics and Protestants all work together as one harmonious whole within the body of Christ.
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heir

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Nothing Paul said or did has a bearing upon your life.

True or false?
The answer is false as Paul is the apostle of the Gentiles (Romans 11:13 KJV), the gospel he preached (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV) was before a mystery (Romans 16:25-27 KJV, 1 Corinthians 2:6-8 KJV, Galatians 1:11-12 KJV) and he was made a prisoner of Jesus Christ for us Gentiles, given the dispensation of the grace of God to us (Ephesians 2:11-12 KJV, Ephesians 3:1-6 KJV) and according to 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV that which he spoke and wrote is to us.
 

musterion

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But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Rom 8:9

If any Jewish man or Gentile man have not the Spirit of Christ he is none of his, STUPID!

God has no covenant with you, nor you with Him.

In other words, you're no better off, and no better, than anyone else.
 

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The answer is false as Paul is the apostle of the Gentiles (Romans 11:13 KJV), the gospel he preached (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV) was before a mystery (Romans 16:25-27 KJV, 1 Corinthians 2:6-8 KJV, Galatians 1:11-12 KJV) and he was made a prisoner of Jesus Christ for us Gentiles, given the dispensation of the grace of God to us (Ephesians 2:11-12 KJV, Ephesians 3:1-6 KJV) and according to 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV that which he spoke and wrote is to us.

None of this you have said here
has any bearing whatsoever on your life.

Do you believe it?

If not then why not?
 

Danoh

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But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Rom 8:9

If any Jewish man or Gentile man have not the Spirit of Christ he is none of his, STUPID!

Nope.

Paul is talking to Spirit indwelt Believers.

He wrote every one of his 13 Epistles to members of the Body of Christ.

The "if" in those passages is a very specific "class condition," being that the word "if" is used in different ways.

It is this here:

(The) First Class Condition - Is considered the 'Simple Condition' and assumes that the premise (protasis) is true for the sake of argument. The protasis is formed with the helping word ei ('if') with the main verb in the indicative mood, in any tense; with any mood and tense in the apodosis.

http://www.ntgreek.org/learn_nt_greek/conditional_sentences.htm

Paul's intended sense there is similar to someone saying something in support of their own child against an assertion about said child, with the words "no, not if they are my child; my child would never do that sort of thing."

THAT is Paul's same sense..

And he is dealing with the issue of which of two DIFFERENT FOCUSES on the part of A BELIEVER will either ENABLE them to serve God, or IMPEDE them FROM being ABLE to do so.

This here...

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

That refers to a BELIEVER ATTEMPTING TO serve God in his own strength. That is, by attempting to keep the Law, the Believer is no longer under.

As is the case in the following, also...

Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Romans 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

In other words, your inability is no longer an issue - not if the Spirit of God dwells in you - which it does.

THAT is what he is talking about.

He had just said this ABOUT them TO them...

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

This here, then..

Romans 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Is this here...

Romans 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

He is talking to "them that know the law" Rom. 7:1.

He is addressing the defeat that awaits them.

He is addressing any member of the Body, about the error of attempting add keeping the Law to the finished work of the Cross.

The "carnally minded" there refers to the futility of such a BELIEVER - who attempts to serve God in his OWN strength, as had been the case under the Law.

Which had been meant to end in failure, towards pointing one to the Cross.

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Verse 18 there is this same kind of "if."

In short, so much for YOUR supposed "Spirit led" interpretation.

Supposed "Spirit led" interpretations are ever proven full of holes.

To the one who simply follows the Word's own use of rules of grammar.

Try it sometime - it is there for you as well, ya know.

Nehemiah 8:8 So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.

8:12 And all the people went their way to eat, and to drink, and to send portions, and to make great mirth, because they had understood the words that were declared unto them.

Rom. 14:5; 5:7,8.
 

heir

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None of this you have said here
has any bearing whatsoever on your life.
It (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV) has everything to do with it! If God didn't have a mystery that included the likes of us (Ephesians 3:1-9 KJV) when the event of 2 Corinthians 5:19 KJV was happening 2000 years ago, none of us would be here or have any hope at all (Ephesians 2:11-12 KJV) to eternal life with God (Romans 6:23 KJV). God preserved His words (Psalms 12:6-7 KJV) and sent us an apostle (Acts 22:17-21 KJV) that we can know (Ephesians 1:18 KJV)!

Do you believe it?
I believe every word of what saith the scripture and not your unbelief in it.

If not then why not?
That's a question you should be asking yourself (2 Corinthians 13:5 KJV). As for me, I'm in the faith (Ephesians 1:13-14 KJV).
 

Epoisses

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Musterion said nothing contrary to that.

You are just a lost and venomous snake, lashing out at anything told to you.

Lashing out at enemies of the cross who publicly reject the new covenant promise. There remains no sacrifice for sin to those who despise the blood of the covenant.
 

Epoisses

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The YOU in that verse is PLURAL.

No chance that you'll understand what that means.

And there is no chance you are born-again. The worst sinners confess Christ, preach grace and then reject the new covenant promise. You're not fooling anyone - The cult of Darby is slowly realizing they have sold their souls for a bowl of soup.
 

Epoisses

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Where does the Bible say that there is a one-to-one correlation between the tribe from which each of the twelve apostles came and the twelve tribes that they will judge?

Hint: NOWHERE.

Anyone who reads the OT knows that tribes married within their tribe and chose rulers from within their tribe. Judah ruled Judah, Dan ruled Dan, Ephraim ruled Ephraim and so on. It's common knowledge that the 12 disciples were not ethnic representatives of the 12 tribes except to Dispie do wrongs.
 
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