Is Prophecy Being Fulfilled in the Dispensation of Grace?

[glorydaz]

Sounds like typical Twain hyperbole.

Actually quite descriptive, and verifiable in newspapers. Rest assured, a lot of research has gone into this. Newspaper and pictures even of Jews being drawn to the land standing with overalls planting trees, etc. No one wanted to live there. God had taken care of that as we see here. Jeremiah 25:11-18.

So it wasn't in 1948?

That would be when they were born as a nation. isaiah 66:8

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The land will really flourish when God restores the kingdom of Israel with Christ as their king!

Indeed it will.

Firstly, Israel does NOT currently occupy the land that God gave to Jacob. There are many parts of that land that are occupied by Israel's enemies.

They dwell in the heart of Jerusalem, and God knows its boundaries. The Jews dwell in the land and they even speak their original language. The only thing they’re lacking is a “peace treaty“ where they are allowed to build the third temple. I expect we’ll be gone by then.

Israel does NOT "dwell safely therein" nor "dwell with confidence". They dwell in fear of their enemies constant attacks.

God has definitely NOT "executed judgments upon all those that despise them round about them;".

The heathen around Israel are NOT currently "bearing their shame". They are proudly attacking Israel.

Yet future... all of what you posted above.

It can all happen in the proverbial blink of an eye. As I believe the stage is being set.

 

[Right Divider]

They dwell in the heart of Jerusalem, and God knows its boundaries.

When God fulfills those prophecies they will dwell safely in ALL of the land of Israel.

The Jews dwell in the land and they even speak their original language.

They dwell in most of the land... but NOT all of it as they will when those prophecies are fulfilled.

It can all happen in the proverbial blink of an eye. As I believe the stage is being set.

Thanks for conceding my point.

I asked you to show me the FULFILLED prophecies.
You showed me some prophecies that you now admit have not been fulfilled.

 

[glorydaz]

When God fulfills those prophecies they will dwell safely in ALL of the land of Israel.

They dwell in most of the land... but NOT all of it as they will when those prophecies are fulfilled.

Thanks for conceding my point.

I asked you to show me the FULFILLED prophecies.
You showed me some prophecies that you now admit have not been fulfilled.

No, I showed you fulfilled and partially fulfilled.
Today, Israel is a Nation, and they were officially born in one day. fufilled.

Where do you find ALL the land before the Lord sets up his kingdom? Returned and gathered into the land. It has a name, but it has no king as yet. In other words, dry bones. I imagine if you did a bit of research you’d be surprised what you’d find. I shouldn’t have to be doing all the looking. I’m old and living off grid.

 

[Right Divider]

No, I showed you fulfilled and partially fulfilled.
Today, Israel is a Nation, and they were officially born in one day. fufilled.

Again, this is YOUR claim (and many) but it is unsubstantiated. You believe that it's true but that's it.

Where do you find ALL the land before the Lord sets up his kingdom?

I was talking about the the prophecies that talk about "the land that God gave to Jacob". That land is NOT in control of the current nation of Israel.

Returned and gathered into the land.

Not complete per scripture.

It has a name, but it has no king as yet.

Indeed, it is mostly unbelieving. Hardly a confirmation of scripture.

In other words, dry bones.

The dry bones were ALL taken to the land.

I imagine if you did a bit of research you’d be surprised what you’d find.

Thanks for the insult.

I shouldn’t have to be doing all the looking. I’m old and living off grid.

Let me know when you find some actual fulfilled prophecies regarding Israel.
Not just the "at any moment" kind.

 

[Clete]

The difference is…..it will happen. it is written. 2 Peter:1-4

This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:​

2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

We know the Lord has two more comings. One when we meet Him in the air, and one to judge. Never before in human history have the times and events lined up with Prophecy the way they are now. It was too soon back when we were saying they had things before, but now, oh boy, we are at the door.


Are we worried? We shouldn’t be, except for the unsaved, which is why it’s so wonderful having the internet to spread the Gospel. Paul tells us….

2 Thess. 2
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

We MAY well be at the door or we may not be. I'm telling you, from experience, if you look for reasons to think things are "lining up" you'll be able to find them. That isn't to say that we shouldn't look but merely that we aught not get too convinced that we hear someone grabbing the door knob. I was 19 years old when Dr. Whisenant had a big chunk of the Christian church in an uproar, to the point that there were people selling their homes and doing all kinds of things that can't be undone, because of what I personally thought at the time was a very well thought out little book he put out called "88 Reason Why the Rapture Will Be in 1988". Today, I understand that he had ALL 88 reasons wrong! Imagine that! Imagine writing a book about 88 reasons for something and not getting even one single reason correct. Astonishing! You should find a copy and read that book! I'd just about bet that you'd be surprised at the number of those 88 reasons that are identical to things you believe right now.

The worst part about Dr. Whisenant, who I'm sure was a well meaning guy, was that after the rapture failed to happen as predicted, rather than dropping it immediately, he put out book after book with new dates for the rapture, his last prediction being 1994. His greatest contribution to Christianity is to serve as an example of just how possible it is to be simultaneously VERY VERY convinced while being just completely wrong. A sobering thogut for all of us.

 

[glorydaz]

Again, this is YOUR claim (and many) but it is unsubstantiated. You believe that it's true but that's it.

I was talking about the the prophecies that talk about "the land that God gave to Jacob". That land is NOT in control of the current nation of Israel.

Not complete per scripture.

Indeed, it is mostly unbelieving. Hardly a confirmation of scripture.

The dry bones were ALL taken to the land.

Thanks for the insult.

Let me know when you find some actual fulfilled prophecies regarding Israel.
Not just the "at any moment" kind.

Insult? Read into my words whatever floats your boat, but I meant them as encouragement to look once again into prophecy. The time is ripe. That is all I meant.

Since you seem to reject the fact that the Jews have returned to their land, as prophesied, I won’t keep “insulting” you with my thoughts on this issue.

 

[glorydaz]

We MAY well be at the door or we may not be. I'm telling you, from experience, if you look for reasons to think things are "lining up" you'll be able to find them. That isn't to say that we shouldn't look but merely that we aught not get too convinced that we hear someone grabbing the door knob. I was 19 years old when Dr. Whisenant had a big chunk of the Christian church in an uproar, to the point that there were people selling their homes and doing all kinds of things that can't be undone, because of what I personally thought at the time was a very well thought out little book he put out called "88 Reason Why the Rapture Will Be in 1988". Today, I understand that he had ALL 88 reasons wrong! Imagine that! Imagine writing a book about 88 reasons for something and not getting even one single reason correct. Astonishing! You should find a copy and read that book! I'd just about bet that you'd be surprised at the number of those 88 reasons that are identical to things you believe right now.

The worst part about Dr. Whisenant, who I'm sure was a well meaning guy, was that after the rapture failed to happen as predicted, rather than dropping it immediately, he put out book after book with new dates for the rapture, his last prediction being 1994. His greatest contribution to Christianity is to serve as an example of just how possible it is to be simultaneously VERY VERY convinced while being just completely wrong. A sobering thogut for all of us.

Yes, those date setters didn’t do a good work, but that shouldn’t stop people from seeing what’s going on in the world today, and how it’s lining up with the Bible. Since Israel became a nation, in fulfillment of prophecy, we watch as all nations turn against them. Just as predicted. When people panic because of what they’re seeing in the world today, it can be a comfort to know this is all in God’s control, and when we preach the gospel to the lost, they can see God is at work even today.

 

[Right Divider]

Insult? Read into my words whatever floats your boat, but I meant them as encouragement to look once again into prophecy. The time is ripe. That is all I meant.

I'm quite familiar with prophecy and current events.
Current events are not a fulfillment of prophecies from the OT scripture about Israel.

Since you seem to reject the fact that the Jews have returned to their land, as prophesied, I won’t keep “insulting” you with my thoughts on this issue.

Again, for the who knows how manyth time, that is a claim without support.

You need to provide some evidence that the current nation of Israel is the fulfillment to that scripture. I think that you are seeing what you want to see. Many people agree with you and many don't.

I've already demonstrated clearly that the scriptures that you quoted are "at hand" (at any moment, according to you). They are not being fulfilled at the present time. Israel (God's people) are currently LO-AMMI per Hosea.

The last two thousand years are very much like the 400 years before Christ. God is silent with regards to speaking to His people, Israel.

 

[glorydaz]

I'm quite familiar with prophecy and current events.
Current events are not a fulfillment of prophecies from the OT scripture about Israel.

Are you saying there is no prophecy at all being fulfilled during the church age?

You need to provide some evidence that the current nation of Israel is the fulfillment to that scripture.

God tells us Israel will never cease to exist. What other nation would they be?

I've already demonstrated clearly that the scriptures that you quoted are "at hand" (at any moment, according to you). They are not being fulfilled at the present time. Israel (God's people) are currently LO-AMMI per Hosea.

The last two thousand years are very much like the 400 years before Christ. God is silent with regards to speaking to His people, Israel.

Alright, what about the land blooming after being desolate? What about all the Jews that have been scattered. Do you believe they are ethnic Jews living in Israel along with all those who have returned from being scattered?

 

[Right Divider]

Are you saying there is no prophecy at all being fulfilled during the church age?

Firstly, I don't call it "the church age". I call it the dispensation of the grace of God.

Eph 3:2 (AKJV/PCE)​

(3:2) If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:​

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Secondly, no... I don't think that God is fulfilling prophecies with a fallen people that are not His people (lo-ammi). When the body of Christ is removed, there will be lots of fulfillment of Israel's prophecy.

God tells us Israel will never cease to exist.

If that is true, then Israel cannot be "reborn" in 1948.

What other nation would they be?

Perhaps a man-made attempt to do what only God can do.

Alright, what about the land blooming after being desolate?

What about it? The land was not "desolate".

desolate /dĕs′ə-lĭt, dĕz′-/

adjective​

1. Devoid of inhabitants; deserted.
2. Barren; lifeless.
   "the rocky, desolate surface of the moon."
3. Feeling, showing, causing, or expressing sadness or loneliness. synonym: sad.
   Similar: sad

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition • More at Wordnik​

What about all the Jews that have been scattered.

The Jews have been scattered many times. So what about them?

Do you believe they are ethnic Jews living in Israel along with all those who have returned from being scattered?

I don't really understand the question.