Is Pete Buttigieg Really a Christian?
- Thread starter Jerry Shugart
- Start date
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
OK :idunno:
Hello Mr. Godzilla.
Have you heard that the Democrats are socialists who support gay marriage, infanticide, and all manner of abominations unto the Lord? If you haven't, then now you have.
If he is a homosexual he is not a Christian according to 1 Corinthians 6. This does not matter whether he has married another man. It does matter if he has acted upon homosexual urgings in homosexual sex, for which the Bible lays out the death penalty. The word consensual is usually used by people to promote heterosexual relations that cannot be prosecuted by law. But there is such a thing as being a willing participant to sin. Homosexual sex carries the death penalty as a crime. A relationship where there is no sex can possibly be repented of. Certainly we want to say a person can repent of all their sin.
bibleverse2
New member
Note that the death penalty for homosexual sex was an Old Covenant Mosaic law, as was the death penalty for adulterers:
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Leviticus 20:10 ¶And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
But under the Jesus Christ's New Covenant, we are to show mercy to sinners, just as we are sinners ourselves:
John 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto [Jesus] a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned [to death]: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
Yes, and repenting of all their sin includes repenting of any homosexual sex, just as it includes repenting of any adultery:
1 Corinthians 6:9 ¶Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Very good. I have no problem with this. I do wonder if a person does not repent if they should die for the sin they have committed, that is, if the Law has not been abolished.
bibleverse2
New member
Note that the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law has been abolished (Ephesians 2:15). But even under Jesus Christ's New Covenant law (John 14:15), if a person does not repent before he dies (1 John 5:16b), or before Jesus' future, Second Coming (Luke 12:45-46), then that person will not be saved from hell.
For Hebrews 10:26-29 shows that even Christians, who have been sanctified by Jesus Christ's sacrificial blood (Hebrews 10:29), which sanctification requires faith (Acts 26:18b, cf. Romans 3:25-26), can, after they get saved, wrongly employ their free will to commit sin without repentance (Hebrews 10:26). By doing this, these Christians are unwittingly trampling on Jesus and His sacrificial blood and doing despite unto the Spirit of grace (Hebrews 10:29), turning the grace of God into lasciviousness (Jude 1:4), so that their ultimate fate will be worse than if they had never been saved at all (2 Peter 2:20-22). Even though Jesus' sacrificial blood is sufficient to forgive all sins (1 John 2:2), it actually forgives only the sins of Christians which are past (Romans 3:25-26), as in sins which have been repented from and confessed to God (1 John 1:9,7). Jesus' sacrificial blood does not remit unrepentant sins (Hebrews 10:26-29). So a Christian can ultimately lose his salvation if he wrongly employs his free will to commit unrepentant sin (Hebrews 10:26-29; 1 Corinthians 9:27, Luke 12:45-46).
Some Christians say that Hebrews 10:26-29 is not for Christians. But the immediate context of Hebrews 10:26-29 is Hebrews 10:25, which is addressing "we" Christians. Hebrews 10:25-29 is the same idea as Hebrews 3:13: Christians need to gather together and exhort each other so that no Christian will fall into any unrepentant sin. For any unrepentant sin will ultimately result in the loss of salvation (Hebrews 10:26-29; 1 Corinthians 9:27, Luke 12:45-46, Matthew 7:22-23, Galatians 5:19-21; 2 Peter 2:20-22, Romans 8:13; 1 John 5:16, James 5:19-20).
One way that a Christian could come to desire to commit a sin without repentance would be if he finds a particular sin to be very pleasurable, so pleasurable and so fulfilling (in the short term) that he continues in it over time until his heart becomes hardened by the deceitfulness of sin (Hebrews 3:13), to where his love for God grows cold because of the abundance of iniquity (Matthew 24:12), to where he quenches the Spirit (1 Thessalonians 5:19), to where he sears his conscience as with a hot iron (1 Timothy 4:2), to where he becomes so infatuated with his sin that he can no longer endure the sound doctrine of the Bible (such as the doctrine of Hebrews 10:26-29), but instead latches onto a mistaken, man-made teaching which contradicts the Bible (2 Timothy 4:3-4), such as the mistaken teaching which assures Christians that there is no way that they can ever lose their salvation, even if they commit a sin without repentance.
Whether or not a believer can lose their salvation is an interesting idea or discussion.
As for past sins, was this before Christ, such as with His death and resurrection? Sins previously committed.
bibleverse2
New member
"Past" sins (Romans 3:25-26) can refer to sins committed by Christians even after Jesus Christ's death and resurrection, so long as these sins have been repented from and confessed to God (1 John 1:9,7).
For regarding repenting from a sin (Acts 8:22; 2 Corinthians 12:21, Revelation 3:19), that means to change one's mind regarding that sin, in the sense of having no plans to ever commit it again, knowing that God has made it possible for Christians not to sin (John 8:34-36, Romans 8:2-14, Romans 6:1-23; 2 Corinthians 7:1), even when they are tempted to do so (2 Peter 2:9a; 1 Corinthians 10:13, Matthew 6:13; 1 Corinthians 9:27, Romans 8:13, Galatians 5:16).
But if, sometime after repenting from a sin, Christians nonetheless wrongly employ their free will to commit that sin again, this does not mean that they had not previously repented from that sin, or that they as continued believers in Jesus Christ and His Gospel are not saved from hell. What they need to do is to repent from that sin again and confess it to God, and they will be completely forgiven (1 John 1:9, cf. Luke 17:4).
Satan wants Christians to fail to continue to come to Jesus Christ, to think that it is hopeless, that they are just too evil for Jesus, when in fact Jesus is waiting with open arms to forgive them for their sins, which weigh down on them so heavily (Matthew 11:28-30).
For every believer in the Gospel of Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4, John 20:31) can know that he is presently saved from hell (1 John 5:13; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4), if, after he became a Christian, he repented from his sins (1 John 3:6) and confessed them to God (1 John 1:9). And he can be sure that as a saved person, he can never be separated from the love of God, so long as he loves God (Romans 8:28-39), which means to obey Him (1 John 5:3, John 14:21-24). And no matter how many tests a Christian fails during his lifetime, sometime subsequent to his initial repentance, even if he fails and commits sin seventy-times-seven times in a single day (Matthew 18:21-22, Luke 17:4), he can be sure that so long as he sincerely repents from every act of sin and confesses it to God, he will be completely forgiven (1 John 1:9). He will lose his salvation ultimately only if he wrongly employs his free will to do something like committing a sin without repentance (Hebrews 10:26-29; 1 Corinthians 9:27, Luke 12:45-46), or becoming utterly lazy without repentance (Matthew 25:26,30, John 15:2a, Romans 2:6-8), or committing apostasy (Hebrews 6:4-8, John 15:6; 2 Timothy 2:12).
Good post.
Pete B. is living in sin and will never be President. It's only a freak show for the far left lgbtq crowd, which is only a tiny fraction of the actual population. I promise I won't be or DIDN'T watch his "Town Hall" fiasco.
annabenedetti
like marbles on glass
Pete Buttigieg has the character to be president. That's what matters.
https://twitter.com/ThisIsEJCalling/status/1131366951127855104
https://twitter.com/ThisIsEJCalling/status/1131366951127855104
That he does ...
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
... of a filthy sexual degenerate :thumb:
The Berean
Well-known member
He wouldn't be the first filthy sexual degenerate in the White House. But I am sure not voting for Buttigieg.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
I was thinking the same. Clinton, Trump (in the past), JFK ...
annabenedetti
like marbles on glass
I think Pete Buttigieg is loving, and would be a just president who actually cares about the citizens of this country.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
what experience has he had to recommend him for the job?
has he ever been the chief executive of a massive governmental organization (or any organization, for that matter)?
annabenedetti
like marbles on glass
You know the answer to that. Why are you asking the question?
You mean has Pete ever lost massive amounts of money and been through multiple bankruptcies totaling billions? No.
Oh, do you mean has Pete served in the military? Why yes... yes he has.