Is Pete Buttigieg Really a Christian?

[Jerry Shugart]

Pete Buttigieg is a member of an Episcopal Church, the Cathedral Church of St. James in South Bend, Indiana.

Buttigieg, who talks often about his faith on the campaign trail, has said he wants a “more inclusive and more humane vision of faith than what this vice president represents.”

“When I’m in church, the scripture I hear is about taking care of the least among us,” he told DeGeneres, who is also gay. "It’s a message that is fundamentally about love, love and humility, humbling yourself before God and putting other people before you."​

According to the doctrinal statement of the Episcopal Church both the Old Testament Scriptures and the New "were written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit."

https://www.episcopalchurch.org/bible

Despite the verses which condemn homosexuality Pete Buttigieg is married to another male and is proud of that marriage. He talks about hearing the message of love in his church but perhaps he is unaware of the teachings found in the Scriptures which condemn homosexuality:

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination" (Lev.18:22).​

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" (Lev.20:13).​

"For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet" (Ro.1:26-27).​

Why does Pete Buttigieg continue to be a member of an Episcopal Church which says that the Scriptures are inspired by the Holy Spirit and those Scriptures condemn homosexuality but yet he glories in his homosexual marriage?

Like I have said many times on this forum, the Democrats are the largest group of hypocrites on the face of the earth.

 

[Rusha]

Funny post. Buttigieg says he is a Christian ... I have no reason not to believe him. Unless he appears on an Access Hollywood tape bragging about how his celebrity status allows him to commit sexual assault OR pays a porn star hush money to hide an adulterous affair, I will continue to believe him.

 

[TrumpTrainCA]

Funny post. Buttigieg says he is a Christian ... I have no reason not to believe him. Unless he appears on an Access Hollywood tape bragging about how his celebrity status allows him to commit sexual assault OR pays a porn star hush money to hide an adulterous affair, I will continue to believe him.

Then you obviously know nothing at all about Christianity. God forgives those who repent of their sins. Repentance means to both be sorry for your sins and to make a pledge to never do them again . Homosexual activity is a grievous sin & an abomination and this fool Buttigieg has neither the intention nor the desire of repenting of it. In fact I doubt if he even thinks it is a sin . He chooses to live in sin, he has no intention of repenting, therefore he is not forgiven and he is not a Christian. That is very simple. Only a fool who votes for Democrats could think otherwise.

Democrats = The party of infanticide, sexual perversion and socialism. That is not an opinion, that is a stone cold fact . Facts don't care about your feelings

You have been refuted absolutely.

 

[ok doser]

Is Pete Buttigieg Really a Christian?

an unrepentant sinner?

nope

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Funny post. Buttigieg says he is a Christian ...

If he is born again he would actually believe what the Scriptures teach about homosexuality.

Therefore, there is not a chance that he is born again no matter what he may call himself.

 

[Rusha]

Pete’s doing fairly well in the polls. GO PETE! America needs an upgrade.

 

[Stripe]

It's not OK to be gay.

 

[TrumpTrainCA]

Pete’s doing fairly well in the polls. GO PETE! America needs an upgrade.

Wow. A homosexual socialist is a upgrade for you? Your standards are not too high are they.

I will stick with the greatest jobs and economy president in 50 years, Donald J. Trump.

 

[The Berean]

an unrepentant sinner?

nope

Apparently, he doesn't read the Scriptures.

 

[TrumpTrainCA]

No jokes yet using his last name?

 

[bibleverse2]

Apparently, he doesn't read the Scriptures.

Or he rejects some of them.

But in order to be a Christian, one must be a disciple of Jesus:

Acts 11:26 . . . And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

The original Greek noun (mathetes: G3101) translated as "disciple" means "learner", just as the apostle Paul uses the verb form (manthano: G3129) of the Greek word to refer to what those in the Church have "learned" (Romans 16:17, Philippians 4:9; 2 Timothy 3:14), and need to "learn" (Titus 3:14), and can "learn" (1 Corinthians 14:31; 1 Corinthians 4:6).

It is sometimes asked: "Is it possible to be a Christian without learning from and believing in Jesus' Word the Holy Bible?"

The answer is No. For Jesus said:

John 8:31b . . . If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed . . .

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So a Christian cannot support homosexuality.

For Romans 1:26 is referring to lesbians, who have unnatural, sexual affections for each other:

Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature . . .

And Romans 1:27 is referring to male homosexuals, "gays", who have unnatural, sexual lust for each other:

Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Here the "recompence of their error" at the time that Romans 1:27 was written in the first century AD could have been hepatitis-type infections, but it would also include, in principle, the horrible AIDS plague in our own time.

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It is sometimes asked: "But how can homosexuality be 'against nature'"?

Homosexuality is "against nature" (Romans 1:26-27) in the sense of how God created nature to work:

Matthew 19:4 . . . [Jesus] said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

God never intended for males to become sexually joined or married to other males, just as God never intended for females to become sexually joined or married to other females.

Homosexuality could be the result of how one was raised, that is, based on poor "nurture", rather than "nature".

For example, boys who grew up without paternal love could be more likely to become gay.

And girls who grew up without maternal love could be more likely to become lesbians.

That is, their sexual orientation is a desperate striving for the love which they never got as children.

 

[TrumpTrainCA]

Sadly, some Christian sects have decided that homosexual relations is not a sin. Apparently he has latched on to that.

 

[Gary K]

Funny post. Buttigieg says he is a Christian ... I have no reason not to believe him. Unless he appears on an Access Hollywood tape bragging about how his celebrity status allows him to commit sexual assault OR pays a porn star hush money to hide an adulterous affair, I will continue to believe him.

So, what the Bible says about what it means to be a follower of Christ, and a child of God, is meaningless to you.

It's interesting that you like and support Biden who has a long history of making passes at little girls and married women, exposing himself in front of women, cupping the breast of a SS agent's girlfriend in front of the SS agent, but dislike Trump for two instances of bad behavior. Your inconsistency is pretty stark.

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2019/0...lked-around-residence-without-a-stitch-739771

https://twitter.com/RAMRANTS/status/930066633661464576/video/1

 

[ok doser]

So, what the Bible says about what it means to be a follower of Christ, and a child of God, is meaningless to you.

It's interesting that you like and support Biden who has a long history of making passes at little girls and married women, exposing himself in front of women, cupping the breast of a SS agent's girlfriend in front of the SS agent, but dislike Trump for two instances of bad behavior. Your inconsistency is pretty stark.

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2019/0...lked-around-residence-without-a-stitch-739771

https://twitter.com/RAMRANTS/status/930066633661464576/video/1

She's a perfect example of the type of irrational illogical emotional voter that the Democrats depend on.

 

[Gary K]

She's a perfect example of the type of irrational illogical emotional voter that the Democrats depend on.

i don't know that Rusha is irrational. I've seen her use quite rational arguments before. I would say where she ends up is a rational destination from the basic assumptions of her world view. In other words, she is an ideologue and really has no choice, emotionally, when it comes to looking deep inside and see if she is being honest with herself. She is far more like the white supremecists she hates than she would ever admit.

Nazism was relentlessly logical not matter how irrational it looks to those of us who reject it's underlying basic assumptions. Socialist dogma is also relentlessly logical, if a person accepts Karl Marx's ridiculous assertions which he could never support against rational criticisms. That's why he and Engels never actually took on socialism's critics. They went straight to adhominen attacks, mockery, outright dismissal, saying their critics were just too stupid to understand socialism, etc... rather than actually engaging their critics on the issues socialism's critics raised. I've read Marx and all he does, basically, is make one unsupported assertion after another. He makes assumptions and then goes on from there leaving all proofs of his underlying assumptions completely unaddressed. His writings, as a result, are next to impossible to understand. They are very similar in that respect to socialism's darling in the field of economics, Maynard Keynes. His book General Theory was written as obtusely as possible so very few could actually refute his reasoning. Why? Because all he did was repackage economic theories that had already been debunked by his day. And this is the man the socialists love to use to prove debt is meaningless because, as Keynes said, anyone who saves money is a fool. Just spend everything you can earn, borrow, or steal because in the long run we're all dead anyway. Quite a philosophy to run a nation's economy by.

 

[Gary K]

She's a perfect example of the type of irrational illogical emotional voter that the Democrats depend on.

And here is how they create the irrational emotional voters. This program in our educational system has been going on since at least the 1940s,

 

[bibleverse2]

I would say where she ends up is a rational destination from the basic assumptions of her world view.

Good point, keyword "assumptions".

Nevertheless, those who are pro-homosexual believe that they have a purely rational basis for their belief, asking: "But has not homosexuality been proven to be genetic?"

Of course, the answer is No. Also, note that even if homosexuality could be proven to be genetic, so could alcoholism, criminal violence, and schizophrenia. Human genes in their current, fallen, corrupted state have nothing to do with proving what is moral, or what is good mental health.

Also, Christian Gay Conversion Therapy can help some gay Christians to become straight, or at least to no longer practice homosexuality. For Jesus Christ has the power to deliver Christians from slavery to any sin (John 8:34-36). And He can do this even apart from any human therapy.

Also, it is curious that homosexuals sometimes claim that what they do sexually is okay because it is genetic, while transgender people (who are also homosexual) claim that genetics is completely irrelevant, and even totally-counter, to their real identity. So which claim is right? Of course, the answer is that neither claim has any rational basis.

But while homosexual acts are sinful (Romans 1:26-27), we too easily forget that homosexual acts (Genesis 19:4-5) were not the only sin of Sodom. For: "Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy" (Ezekiel 16:49). How many of us Christians who love to rail against homosexuality are nonetheless "just like Sodom" with regard to our pride, our fullness of bread, our abundance of idleness, and our refusal to strengthen the hand of the poor and needy? How many of us love to place ourselves above homosexuals, forgetting that even if we were completely free from all sin ourselves, we would still be judged by God for our self-righteousness (Luke 18:9-14)?

But, at the same time, the truth must never be discounted that homosexual acts, if they are not repented of, will, like any other unrepentant sin, keep people from ultimate salvation (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).

The list of sins which will ultimately keep even Christians out of the Kingdom of God (if they do not repent from them) is quite long (Galatians 5:19-21), and some of these sins are common even in the Church today. So why is there such a focus by some Christians on homosexuality alone? Why does not the Church also focus on, for example, its own very-widespread practice of divorce and second-marriage adultery (Mark 10:11-12)?

 

[bibleverse2]

Nazism was relentlessly logical not matter how irrational it looks to those of us who reject it's underlying basic assumptions. Socialist dogma is also relentlessly logical, if a person accepts Karl Marx's ridiculous assertions which he could never support against rational criticisms.

That's right.

And how wrong it was that both Nazism and Marxism ruthlessly persecuted those who disagreed with them.

Which raises the question: Could Christians be persecuted in our future by pro-homosexuals simply for asserting from the Bible that homosexual acts are sinful?

Then answer is Yes, just as Christians are already being persecuted by major social media corporations by having their pages and posts deleted for "homophobia". And this persecution could expand until even the government itself becomes involved in it. For any assertion that homosexual acts are sinful could become an illegal act of "hate speech", punishable by fines and imprisonment.

A move toward this point could have even started. For example, not long ago, the New York Times (98% of its readers say that they never pray) held a forum for evangelicals, the point of which was to basically accuse evangelicals of causing the Orlando, Pulse-nightclub shooting against homosexuals, because of the evangelical teaching against homosexuality, which it is said puts homosexuals "in danger". Of course, that Orlando shooting was done by a Muslim, not a Christian. But in the twisted, Satanic world of "political correctness", no evil can ever be ascribed to Islam (even though Islam, even in its moderate forms, opposes homosexuality no less than evangelical Christianity), whereas any evil whatsoever can be ascribed to evangelical Christianity.

Also, "political correctness" loves to paint any evangelical teaching against homosexuality as "homophobic", or "hateful", as if evangelical Christians are actually fearful (phobic) of homosexuals, or actually hate them, when in fact evangelical Christianity simply states from the Bible itself that homosexuality is sinful (Romans 1:26-27). It would be like pedophiles saying that Christians (or even New York Times readers) are "pedophobic", or "hateful", for being against pedophilia, which pedophiles prefer to call "man-boy love". Or, it would be like people who are into bestiality saying that Christians are "beastiphobic", or "hateful", for being against bestiality, which people who are into bestiality prefer to call "inter-species love".

So, along with the acceptance of homosexuality, do not be surprised if the non-Christian world, in the name of "love", eventually begins to also accept pedophilia and bestiality, so long as (in the non-Christian world's words) "the child or the animal involved in each case is okay with the activity, showing no signs of distress, but rather consent, and even pleasure".

And then pedophiles and people who are into bestiality will walk around with "Love wins" signs at anti-Christian rallies.

 

[Gary K]

Good point, keyword "assumptions".

Nevertheless, those who are pro-homosexual believe that they have a purely rational basis for their belief, asking: "But has not homosexuality been proven to be genetic?"

Of course, the answer is No. Also, note that even if homosexuality could be proven to be genetic, so could alcoholism, criminal violence, and schizophrenia. Human genes in their current, fallen, corrupted state have nothing to do with proving what is moral, or what is good mental health.

Also, Christian Gay Conversion Therapy can help some gay Christians to become straight, or at least to no longer practice homosexuality. For Jesus Christ has the power to deliver Christians from slavery to any sin (John 8:34-36). And He can do this even apart from any human therapy.

Also, it is curious that homosexuals sometimes claim that what they do sexually is okay because it is genetic, while transgender people (who are also homosexual) claim that genetics is completely irrelevant, and even totally-counter, to their real identity. So which claim is right? Of course, the answer is that neither claim has any rational basis.

But while homosexual acts are sinful (Romans 1:26-27), we too easily forget that homosexual acts (Genesis 19:4-5) were not the only sin of Sodom. For: "Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy" (Ezekiel 16:49). How many of us Christians who love to rail against homosexuality are nonetheless "just like Sodom" with regard to our pride, our fullness of bread, our abundance of idleness, and our refusal to strengthen the hand of the poor and needy? How many of us love to place ourselves above homosexuals, forgetting that even if we were completely free from all sin ourselves, we would still be judged by God for our self-righteousness (Luke 18:9-14)?

But, at the same time, the truth must never be discounted that homosexual acts, if they are not repented of, will, like any other unrepentant sin, keep people from ultimate salvation (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).

The list of sins which will ultimately keep even Christians out of the Kingdom of God (if they do not repent from them) is quite long (Galatians 5:19-21), and some of these sins are common even in the Church today. So why is there such a focus by some Christians on homosexuality alone? Why does not the Church also focus on, for example, its own very-widespread practice of divorce and second-marriage adultery (Mark 10:11-12)?

I agree with you. Sin is sin. There are a lot of sins that are an abomination to God. Serving other gods, or idols, of which anything we place before God in our lives is an idol. Teaching others to join us in our sins is also an abomination to God. Going to anyone other than God to know our future is an abomination before God. Being dishonest in business. The list is long.

Proverbs 12:22 Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord;

Deuteronomy 13:[SIZE=+0]12[/SIZE] ¶If thou shalt hear say in one of thy cities, which the Lord thy God hath given thee to dwell there, saying,
[SIZE=+0]13 [/SIZE]Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;
[SIZE=+0]14[/SIZE] Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you;

Deuteronomy 18:[SIZE=+0]9[/SIZE] ¶When thou art come into the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.
[SIZE=+0]10[/SIZE] There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
[SIZE=+0]11[/SIZE] Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
[SIZE=+0]12[/SIZE]For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

Deuteronomy 25:[SIZE=+0]13[/SIZE] ¶Thou shalt not have in thy bag divers weights, a great and a small.
[SIZE=+0]14[/SIZE] Thou shalt not have in thine house divers measures, a great and a small.
[SIZE=+0]15[/SIZE] But thou shalt have a perfect and just weight, a perfect and just measure shalt thou have: that thy days may be lengthened in the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
[SIZE=+0]16 [/SIZE]For all that do such things, and all that do unrighteously, are an abomination unto the Lord thy God.

Isaiah 58[SIZE=+0]:1 [/SIZE]Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.
[SIZE=+0]2[/SIZE] Yet they seek me daily, and delight to know my ways, as a nation that did righteousness, and forsook not the ordinance of their God: they ask of me the ordinances of justice; they take delight in approaching to God.
[SIZE=+0]3[/SIZE]¶Wherefore have we fasted, say they, and thou seest not? wherefore have we afflicted our soul, and thou takest no knowledge? Behold, in the day of your fast ye find pleasure, and exact all your labours.
[SIZE=+0]4[/SIZE] Behold, ye fast for strife and debate, and to smite with the fist of wickedness: ye shall not fast as ye do this day, to make your voice to be heard on high.
[SIZE=+0]5[/SIZE] Is it such a fast that I have chosen? a day for a man to afflict his soul? is it to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him? wilt thou call this a fast, and an acceptable day to the Lord?
[SIZE=+0]6[/SIZE]Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?
[SIZE=+0]7[/SIZE]Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?
[SIZE=+0]8[/SIZE] ¶Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the Lord shall be thy rereward.

I would add one to the list. Any ideology that teaches the individual that it is not their personal duty to take care of those less fortunate than themselves but is instead the government's job to do so. That goes along with Deuteronomy 13:12-14 for it is teaching people that the responsibility God laid upon us all is irrelevant and not to be followed.

 

[Gary K]

That's right.

And how wrong it was that both Nazism and Marxism ruthlessly persecuted those who disagreed with them.

Which raises the question: Could Christians be persecuted in our future by pro-homosexuals simply for asserting from the Bible that homosexual acts are sinful?

Then answer is Yes, just as Christians are already being persecuted by major social media corporations by having their pages and posts deleted for "homophobia". And this persecution could expand until even the government itself becomes involved in it. For any assertion that homosexual acts are sinful could become an illegal act of "hate speech", punishable by fines and imprisonment.

A move toward this point could have even started. For example, not long ago, the New York Times (98% of its readers say that they never pray) held a forum for evangelicals, the point of which was to basically accuse evangelicals of causing the Orlando, Pulse-nightclub shooting against homosexuals, because of the evangelical teaching against homosexuality, which it is said puts homosexuals "in danger". Of course, that Orlando shooting was done by a Muslim, not a Christian. But in the twisted, Satanic world of "political correctness", no evil can ever be ascribed to Islam (even though Islam, even in its moderate forms, opposes homosexuality no less than evangelical Christianity), whereas any evil whatsoever can be ascribed to evangelical Christianity.

Also, "political correctness" loves to paint any evangelical teaching against homosexuality as "homophobic", or "hateful", as if evangelical Christians are actually fearful (phobic) of homosexuals, or actually hate them, when in fact evangelical Christianity simply states from the Bible itself that homosexuality is sinful (Romans 1:26-27). It would be like pedophiles saying that Christians (or even New York Times readers) are "pedophobic", or "hateful", for being against pedophilia, which pedophiles prefer to call "man-boy love". Or, it would be like people who are into bestiality saying that Christians are "beastiphobic", or "hateful", for being against bestiality, which people who are into bestiality prefer to call "inter-species love".

So, along with the acceptance of homosexuality, do not be surprised if the non-Christian world, in the name of "love", eventually begins to also accept pedophilia and bestiality, so long as (in the non-Christian world's words) "the child or the animal involved in each case is okay with the activity, showing no signs of distress, but rather consent, and even pleasure".

And then pedophiles and people who are into bestiality will walk around with "Love wins" signs at anti-Christian rallies.

All of the things you spoke to are already happening. They are not future events but current events. Pedophelia and beastiality are already being put forward as "normal". It isn't widespread as yet, at least not the beastialty part, but it's out there and growing pretty rapidly.