Is MAD ethics and or morals void? Is MAD ethics even Christian?

[Right Divider]

It might not be in scripture, but @Clete's point is a valid one--that unless we are somehow forced to love Him for eternity, or our free will is somehow curtailed, people who once believed in Christ (including being subject to His mandates in eternity), might decide they no longer need Him or want Him. And if they do--at any time in eternity--they should be able to do so.

So you think that eternal life is "maybe eternal life"? Got it.

1Thess 4:17 (AKJV/PCE)​

(4:17) Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. ​

Sounds permanent to me.

Don't bother replying, you're on ignore and I just peeped in and confirmed my correct judgment.

 

[Derf]

So you think that eternal life is "maybe eternal life"? Got it.

1Thess 4:17 (AKJV/PCE)​

(4:17) Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. ​

Sounds permanent to me.

And permanently "in the air", too. So, according to your interpretation, we will forever be with the Lord in the way that we met Him, so we'll be floating there forever.

Don't bother replying, you're on ignore and I just peeped in and confirmed my correct judgment.

Thank you!!

 

[way 2 go]

I reject Calvinism, but the truth is that we do not know who is saved and who is not. So it's entirely possible that some people that we think are saved... are not.

which is why I posted this ,


Jesus on the other hand says : depart from me I never knew you

(Matthew 7:22-23) [22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? [23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

God knows and we do not , no matter how good the act .

You said that the "choice" comes on the "day of redemption"... which has NOT yet come. So you have NO counter examples whatsoever and no scriptural support of this "choice event".

I cannot find this "choice" in the scripture. I do see judgments. One for believers and one for the rest.

I don't see the verse where it says the chosen and faithful will have an opportunity to choose death on judgement day


(Revelation of John 20:6) Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years

 

[Nick M]

I would say his point is that heaven is not a prison. He might boot people out later, like a large percentage of angels as mentioned in the scriptures.

 

[Right Divider]

I would say his point is that heaven is not a prison. He might boot people out later, like a large percentage of angels as mentioned in the scriptures.

Terrible logic.

 

[Derf]

which is why I posted this ,


Jesus on the other hand says : depart from me I never knew you

(Matthew 7:22-23) [22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? [23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

God knows and we do not , no matter how good the act .

Are you saying we don't know if we will be rejected and told to depart from Him? or that we don't know whether others will? The former seems to fit the scenario of the passage, where they thought they would be accepted. Same for the pharisees, scribes, lawyers, priests, etc., that Jesus spoke to. They no doubt, assuming they believed in resurrection, thought they would be resurrected to heavenly bliss.

I don't see the verse where it says the chosen and faithful will have an opportunity to choose death on judgement day

Interestingly, neither do the wicked have an opportunity to choose death on resurrection day.

 

[way 2 go]

I would say his point is that heaven is not a prison. He might boot people out later, like a large percentage of angels as mentioned in the scriptures.

no.

no more death for the faithful
everlasting life for the faithful

Dan 12:2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Mat 25:46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away

John 3:16: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

you have no chapter and verse just hypothetical

 

[way 2 go]

Are you saying we don't know if we will be rejected and told to depart from Him? or that we don't know whether others will? The former seems to fit the scenario of the passage, where they thought they would be accepted. Same for the pharisees, scribes, lawyers, priests, etc., that Jesus spoke to. They no doubt, assuming they believed in resurrection, thought they would be resurrected to heavenly bliss.

Jesus is saying depart from me to sinners

(Matthew 7:22-23) [22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? [23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

there is no verse saying a saved person will choose eternal damnation on judgement day


Saul when he was killing Christians believed he was doing the Lords work Acts 26:9-11
then
when Saul was saved he became Paul and had the holy Spirit that assured him of his salvation Ephesians 1:13-14

Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God

It's not just intellectual belief

Romans 8:38-39 [38] For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, [39] Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Interestingly, neither do the wicked have an opportunity to choose death on resurrection day.

no they already chose before they died