Is John 3:7 for today ?
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Bradley D
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1 Peter 1:23
"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which lives and stays for ever."
Isn't the word of God for everyone!
"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which lives and stays for ever."
Isn't the word of God for everyone!
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Not in way that you're trying to make it.
Here is my first point !!
If anyone was Born for over 2000 years ago , how can anyone be born again >
Read Eze 37:1 , 10 , 11 .
we in the b o c are not born again , as we are a new creation in Christ >
dan p
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Have you sold all of your possessions?
Luke 12:33 (AKJV/PCE)
(12:33) Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.
Isn't the word of God for everyone!
and repentance , baptism , atonement , water baptism , a new heavens , death baptism , b o c , or judge angels and God's universe and being priests in the millemium for everyone ?
What say you BRADLY D
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Bradley D
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I have no possessions to speak of. My departed wife wife owned some lands in the Philippines. I passed that on to the family. It just caused my wife a lot of worries and visits from her family. I live in a room at the house my daughter and her grown children live in. I help them with bills. All belongs to God.
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So I guess that my point went completely over your head.
The point is: Not everything in the Bible is instructions for YOU.
Yes, but this sort of vague generality does not get to the details of things.
Bradley D
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Repentance for our wrongs, including thoughts, needs to be followed by amendment (change within me). John the Baptist told the people that Jesus would baptise with the Holy Spirit and fire. Although they continue with the water baptisms today. A new heaven and a new earth is coming. I feel that is a different heaven and earth coming our way. I believe Jesus is to be the final judge. Are we to be priests. I look forward to having the spiritual body and be done the flesh.
Bradley D
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I believe the Holy Spirit lets us know what instructions are for us. Some things are vague to us now. What is important to me is to be of the spirit and not of the flesh. To do what I can that the Word tells me.
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That always sounds great. What if you say one thing and I say another and we both claim that the Holy Spirit is leading us?
Like what?
No argument there.
What if the Word is not telling YOU that YOU need to be "born again"?
Have you never noticed that the phrase "born again" only appears in John and 1 Peter?
If that were a doctrine for the Body of Christ, don't you think that Paul would say so?
Jesus said:
John 3:7 (AKJV/PCE)
(3:7) Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
THEE is SINGULAR, but YE is PLURAL. Perhaps Churchianity has been wrong about this, like it is about so many things.
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Any clue what those baptisms mean?
Any clue why Paul says that there is ONE baptism for the Body of Christ? Eph 4:5
Nope!
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Sorry DanP. You misinterpret the Scriptures. You must be Born Again to receive the salvation of Christ. Becoming a New Creation in Christ is a result of being Born Again.
Saying it doesn't make it so!
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Why does Paul never mention this?
Bradley D
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Jesus did John 3:3
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Jesus was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matt 15:24
Again I ask, why does Paul never mention it?
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It may be that being born again only referred to the Israelites and not the gentiles.
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Now you're getting somewhere.
I believe that John 3:3 and it's context is all Israel .
and as in John 3:3 you have to be " born again " he cannot // ov is a disjuncative particle negative
and he will neverrrrrrrrrr see the Kingdom of God .
then in verse Except a man be born of of water and of the Spirit he cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven
the whole context is all about Israel and not about the B O
and when is Israel born again and of water ?
read Eze36:25 where Christ sprinkles clean water on Israel so that they will enter the Kingdom .
Eze 37:14 and the rest of the chapter is revealing , saying how Israel is Born Again .
dan p