Is Islam compatible within Western Society?
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shagster01
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God just delays the torture until the afterlife in your religion. That's nice of him.
shagster01
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If I don't humble myself for salvation what happens to me?
There are Christian nations?
Donald is totally right
He is not advocating blowing them up or chopping their heads off. He is advocating stopping them from coming into the country until we can figure out what is going on with them
shagster01
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Hitler didn't advocate killing Jews while campaigning either. He just got the fear of them rolling until after he was elected.
The Jews were not doing Boston or San Fransisco or 9/11
when George Bush said we are going to Iraq in the name of Jesus then yes we got Christian nations.
No, since He made you. Do you actually know what hell is?
Do tell what is so scary about being given exactly what one wants? (To be eternally separated from Him)
Nope.
John 14:6
6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
He also said:
John 4:34
Jesus explained, "My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me and to finish His work.
John 19:30 When Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished.” And bowing His head, He yielded up His spirit.
Also I have had many Muslim friends and neighbours when living in Birmingham UK, it even got flagged up in America as a no go zone because of Muslims! what a load of nonsense they were kind neighbours, brought me food, asked me over for dinner and invited me to weddings and birthday parties. Not once did anyone talk to me about God, no one tried to convert me. Extremists are not even Muslims and no Muslim would assume them to be Muslim.
Sharia Law is not Islam
In Islam Mohamed is the last prophet and no one else will come with the words of God. So a Muslim would not believe sharia law to be of God because then Mohamed would not be the last prophet and there a liar because the law was "given" two hundred years after Mohamed.
Sharia Law is not Islam
In Islam Mohamed is the last prophet and no one else will come with the words of God. So a Muslim would not believe sharia law to be of God because then Mohamed would not be the last prophet and there a liar because the law was "given" two hundred years after Mohamed.
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Please cite where the bible says God tortures you. Thanks.
You will be eternally separated from God, who you will have chosen to be separated from.
False, what the "moderate Muslims" practice is not Islam, sharia law, is. There is a reason why where Islam is predominately practiced, terrorism is the routine and women are regularly abused and killed.
shagster01
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I get that, but why does he throw the whole torture bit in with it? Seems vengeful and unnecessary.
You said torture, and ive asked you numerous times in various discussions to cite where scripture says God will torture you.
The onus is on you to show where it says that, since you keep saying its there.
You admit you choose yourself to remain separated from the One who made you for His purpose, and yet complain about potentially getting what you admit you want.
shagster01
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You may not believe the torture bit when sent to Hell, but many (most) Christians do believe the Fire and Brimstone stuff. And since this is a thread based on whether GENERAL Islam is compatible, I'm making the comparision to GENERAL Christianity.
Or should you not be judged by the most popular Christian beliefs that you personally don't hold while holding all Muslims to the standards of the extreme?
We seem to be at an impasse. You keep saying torture those who refuse to get saved and claiming the bible says that, and im asking you where, can you not back your own claim?
What you claim others have said, is irrelevant. I am talking to YOU. You made the claim, back it up.
Or do we agree, the bible says no such thing.
shagster01
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Alright, I'll start over just to be clear on my argument here.
Nick said that Islam is a convert or die religion. I generally disagree with this. Of course we see that on the news with extremists, but most Muslims are not ever going to kill anyone for not being Muslim. Most will happily live beside us, just like most Christians. But he said Islam is generally covert or die.
My agrument is that if we take that very general statement as fact then we can also make the claim that the Christian God himself says convert or die. Convert to Christian beliefs or get cast into Hell. Also, generally Christians believe in some form of torture in Hell. Fire and Brimstone. The point I raised is that if the Christian God is real and he does not want me around if I don't believe in him, fine. But why throw in the eternal torture with it? Why not just cast me away, or destroy me altogher? Why the need to torture me for eternity, or until the great lake of fire depending on sect of Christianity?
Basically, both God and Allah want to torture you in the afterlife if you do not do as they say here, but SOME extremists on both sides want to kill you in this life too. Take Nick and Musterion for example, who think gays should be killed for no other reason than that the Bible says so. What is the difference here? Both religions have SOME people who want to kill or harm me for not doing what their religion says and MOST who do not.