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Where did make such a claim? You are a false accuser RP.
Perhaps you should post what you mean instead of what you post. That would make communication much easier.
Is Calvinism Wrong?
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Perhaps you should post what you mean instead of what you post. That would make communication much easier.
So the Apostles were preaching a different gospel than Jesus was?
Further, where is the evidence that, prior to Acts, the Apostles were preaching anything like...
God requires two things for the salvation of fallen man.
1. A life of perfect obedience according to God's Holy Law.
2. A perfect atonement for the sins of fallen man and for the sins of the whole world.
Jesus, as fallen man's representative has met all of the requirements for the salvation of fallen man.
Proof of this is that God has welcomed Jesus back into heaven and has made him both Lord and Christ, Acts 2:36. When God accepted Jesus into heaven we were accepted in him.
The law has been fulfilled and abolished, Matthew 5:18 also Ephesians 2:15. All sin has been atoned for, 2 Corinthians 5:21.
God now sees ALL THINGS in his Son Jesus Christ. All that have faith in the work of Christ are complete in him, Colossians 2:10.
1. A life of perfect obedience according to God's Holy Law.
2. A perfect atonement for the sins of fallen man and for the sins of the whole world.
Jesus, as fallen man's representative has met all of the requirements for the salvation of fallen man.
Proof of this is that God has welcomed Jesus back into heaven and has made him both Lord and Christ, Acts 2:36. When God accepted Jesus into heaven we were accepted in him.
The law has been fulfilled and abolished, Matthew 5:18 also Ephesians 2:15. All sin has been atoned for, 2 Corinthians 5:21.
God now sees ALL THINGS in his Son Jesus Christ. All that have faith in the work of Christ are complete in him, Colossians 2:10.
So you agree then that there is not only one gospel?
Based on what you've said, there seems to be at least three.
1. The gospel that Jesus preached.
2. The gospel that the Apostle's preached prior to Acts 2.
3. The gospel of grace.
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James disagrees.
James 2:24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
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He's just a mess, isn't he?
James was a Judaizer. A Judaizer is one that believes in Jesus, but also believes that you must keep the law of Moses. There were many Judaizers in the early church. I am sure that James came into a better understanding of the Gospel and justification by faith at a later date.
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You've make these dubious claims before!
"I am sure" just doesn't cut it RP. James wrote an entire BOOK in the BIBLE and nowhere is there any indication that there is a problem with it.
Your "theory" is that God put some garbage in the Bible?
1. Jesus preached the Kingdom Gospel. It was the good news that the King had arrived.
2. The apostles did not preach a Gospel prior to Acts 2. They didn't know anything.
3. The Gospel of grace is the Gospel that justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.
Evasion, side stepping. You argued "only one gospel"-only one piece of good news in the book, and that it always pertains to justification/salvation.Thus, you assert, by that argument, that your saint Judas preached, "Christ died for your sins...was buried...raised again...Believe this to be saved"-1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV.
On record=satanic.
The Bible is an honest book. It does not hide the sins or the mistakes of God's people.
James sent men to spy on Barnabus and Peter to see if they were eating with Gentiles. A Jewish no, no.
You can read about it in Galatians 2:11-14.
No, you lied, and continued to lie, or are a careless buffoon, an embarrassment, to the cause of Christ-no other option. To wit:
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Only in your twisted, perverted, mind.
You just make things up, on the fly, Pate, not studying the details of the book, and carelessly just winging it, making up terms, that are nowhere to be found, much less taught, in the book.
The apostles sure did preach a "good news," a gospel, prior to Acts 2, you deceiver-the gospel of the kingdom, the same good news the Lord Jesus Christ preached, the same good news he told the 12 to preach, including Judas. But that is not equivalent to the good news of 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV, the gospel of Christ.
Matthew 10 KJV
1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease. 2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; 3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphæus, and Lebbæus, whose surname was Thaddæus; 4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. 8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. 9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses, 10 nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat. 11 And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence. 12 And when ye come into an house, salute it. 13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you. 14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. 15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
Luke 9 KJV
1 Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases. 2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick. 3 And he said unto them, Take nothing for your journey, neither staves, nor scrip, neither bread, neither money; neither have two coats apiece. 4 And whatsoever house ye enter into, there abide, and thence depart. 5 And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them. 6 And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.
Did Judas preach "the gospel," you vile, dementia ridden deceiver? Yes, or, no, wolf. It is a simple q.
Did Judas preach "the gospel," you vile, dementia ridden deceiver? Yes, or, no, wolf. It is a simple q.
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According to you, James wrote an entire book of false doctrine. WRONG!
God separated Israel from the gentiles. Prior to the revelations given to Paul (Acts 9) and Peter (Acts 10), they were supposed to remain separate from uncircumcised gentiles.
James was one of the earliest books of the NT. Written BEFORE Paul was saved and given his commission.
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Luk 9:1-6 KJV Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases. (2) And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick. (3) And he said unto them, Take nothing for your journey, neither staves, nor scrip, neither bread, neither money; neither have two coats apiece. (4) And whatsoever house ye enter into, there abide, and thence depart. (5) And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them. (6) And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.
Robert, you are either horribly confused or a liar. Luke 9 is WELL before Acts 2.
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Colossians 1:13-14 KJV
(13) Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
(14) In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
I have the impression that some people think that Paul had a different gospel that was somehow excluded the Kingdom of God... as if salvation unto eternal life would somehow exist apart from or without the Kingdom of God.
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Matthew 9:2 KJV
(2) And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee.
This is not an example of grace?
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Mark 10:29-30 KJV
(29) And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,
(30) But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
The gospel that Jesus preached saves men from death unto salvation and eternal life. That sounds like it saves to me.
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James agrees that we are saved by faith, pointing to Abraham and using the same scripture Paul uses as proof of his meaning. Don't bend the passage out of its intended context please. James speaks of the evidence (works) of faith. Paul compares faith against deeds (works) of the law.