beloved57
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Your point here ? Did you understand my point ?
Is believing/faith a work ?
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There is a lot of Scripture which talks about life and death. 1st John 3:14
Yes I always understand your point.
beloved57
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So what is my point ?
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Does any dead man have the power to resurrect himself?
beloved57
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Please read again and tell me my point please
Is believing/faith a work ?
It is sure a good thing then that Paul made it clear with six different verses that the works he wrote against were the works of the Law. Rom 9:32..."Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law..." Gal 2:16..."Knowing that a man is not justified by the...
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When the Lord called Lazarus Lazarus responded to His call. Did Lazarus resurrect himself? No. Your point is No. The Lord resurrected Lazarus, and He resurrected each of His authentic people, those called out from the world who respond to His call.
Faith is not a work and works are not faith. Believing Gin od is a spiritual response to exposure to God's word. Sinners can either believe God or refuse to believe God and God will not force them to do one or the other.
beloved57
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If we say that we are Justified before God or saved by Him because of our act of Faith or believing, then we are saying God saved or justifies us because of our works. Its a work because its acting obedience to a command just as much as its a command to love, notice 1 Jn 3:23
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
To obey a command, injunction is a work !
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
To obey a command, injunction is a work !
Thanks be to God for giving us that, and other tasks to perform, in order to be saved.
Without them, God's salvation would just be on a whim.
Obey, and live forever.
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You need to get saved by grace through faith. You will not be saved by your own righteousness.
Abraham proved he believed God faith by his works, which is why God justified him.
James 2:21
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
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Paul says that Abraham was justified without works. Who are you going to side with? See Romans 4.
No matter what else, I believe the Bible.
James 2:21
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
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So you believe James but not Paul?
Rom 4:1-8 (AKJV/PCE)
(4:1) What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? (4:2) For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath [whereof] to glory; but not before God. (4:3) For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. (4:4) Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. (4:5) But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. (4:6) Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, (4:7) [Saying], Blessed [are] they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. (4:8) Blessed [is] the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
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@marke Some of these might help if you take a little time to read some of them: https://graceambassadors.com/search?q=paul+james&x=0&y=0#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=paul james&gsc.page=1
That is correct, but the unrighteous will not be saved at all.
So don't you think being righteous is a better way of life while we await the return of our Savior?
The unrighteous manifest their unbelief with their refusal to submit to the God who loves them.
Cannot both statements be true in differing contexts?
In one context Abraham was saved by the actions of his belief.
In another context, he was saved without the works of the Law.
That is the only "works" Paul ever wrote against.
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There is none righteous, no not one.
Rom 3:10 (AKJV/PCE)
(3:10) As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Being righteous is a relative term. With regards to salvation, there are none righteous expect for the Lord Jesus Christ.
Like you refusing to submit to the righteousness of God in Christ.
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BINGO!!!! The scripture must be rightly divided as Paul says.
Salvation of your soul will never include your actions. It is based on the actions of the Lord Jesus Christ.
BINGO!!! That what Paul says.
Indeed, works for salvation are OUT today in this dispensation of God's grace.
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You should have skipped down to verses 21 and 22 to see the NT ..."But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe:..." (Rom 3:21-22)
Do you believe?
Are you not "in Christ"?
I thank God every day that I am, and have His righteousness manifesting itself in me every day.
If I was refusing to submit to God, or to His Son, you would be right.
Thankfully, you are incorrect.