Irenaeus and Victorinus

[chrysostom]

when john the baptist first wrote the apocalypse -
the time was near

 

[chrysostom]

irenaeus, victorinus, and eusebius only saw the apocalypse written by john the baptist

 

[chrysostom]

what did they know?
-and-
when did they know it?

 

[chrysostom]

the ancient copies spoken of by irenaeus were written by john the baptist

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

the ancient copies spoken of by irenaeus were written by john the baptist

:chuckle:

 

[chrysostom]

:chuckle:

thanks for watching

 

[chrysostom]

the only history some people look at is the old testament

 

[chrysostom]

history is the key to understanding the apocalypse

 

[chrysostom]

the dog that didn't bark
-
what they don't say can be significant

 

[chrysostom]

so what were they looking at?
-
the first version of the apocalypse -
written by john the baptist to prepare the way for the Lamb

 

[chrysostom]

the time was near when john the baptist wrote the first apocalypse

 

[chrysostom]

here we have Irenaeus in the second century talking about "ancient copies" of Revelation
and
here we have Victorinus in the third century commenting on Revelation without mentioning any of the seven churches
and
we also have Eusebius in the fourth century mentioning some of the seven churches and Revelation
but
never associating them
so
what can we conclude from all this?

there must have been an earlier version of Revelation that did not include the seven churches
and
there are other reasons to suspect this

it was written originally in hebrew and later translated to greek

 

[chrysostom]

what did they know and when did they know it?
-and-
why?

 

[patrick jane]

what did they know and when did they know it?
-and-
why?

Yes, that is interesting

 

[chrysostom]

jerome and victorinus

 

[patrick jane]

Chrys is inextricably stuck in a fantasy world

 

[chrysostom]

thanks for watching

 

[chrysostom]

the fathers of the church -
a valuable source of what they wrote

 

[chrysostom]

"ancient copies" were written by john the baptist