Theology Club: 'In Christ' Before Me

Jerry Shugart

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Hi and where does it say that Peter was PLACED into the B O C .

Paul addressed the following words to all the believers, and one of those believers was Peter:

"For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many" (1 Cor.12:13).

Paul/s words here are addressed to ALL the believers so when he wrote that ALL have been baptized into the Body of Christ then Peter is included in the "ALL."
 

beloved57

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The question was who was the first to believe in Christ, i.e. Jesus Christ. There were many who believed in a coming Messiah but none before John the Baptist believed specifically in Jesus Chriist."

The Messiah and Christ are the same. So again did Abraham and Moses believe in Christ?
 

beloved57

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Hi and where does it say that Peter was PLACED into the B O C .

In Gal 3:28 THERE CANNOT BE / ENI , JEWS or Greeks in the B O C , just up and down for me !

Peter will sit on 1/12 of a throne to judge Israel , and NOT in the HEAVENILLES , can you believe that !!!

dan p

I just answered you.
 

Jerry Shugart

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The Messiah and Christ are the same. So again did Abraham and Moses believe in Christ?

They did not know the Christ, whose name was Jesus. They knew that a Christ or Messiah was to reign from David's throne but they didn't know His name. So they didn't believe in Jesus Christ but instead they believed in a Christ who would reign from David's throne.

Are you willing to argue that they actually believed in the Lord Jesus Christ?
 

beloved57

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They did not know the Christ, whose name was Jesus. They knew that a Christ or Messiah was to reign from David's throne but they didn't know His name. So they didn't believe in Jesus Christ but instead they believed in a Christ who would reign from David's throne.

Are you willing to argue that they actually believed in the Lord Jesus Christ?

U do know that Jesus Christ and the Messiah are one and the same don't you? You ready to debate that ?

Did Isaiah know that Messiah would die for the sins of His People? Isa 53?
 

Jerry Shugart

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U do know that Jesus Christ and the Messiah are one and the same don't you? You ready to debate that ?

I have already said that. Are you willing to argue that those in the Old Testament actually knew that the Messiah was going to be Jesus of Nazareth?

Of course those in the Old Testament times knew of many prophecies which were in regard to the promised Messiah, such as Isaiah 53, but they didn't know that the Messiah would be Jesus of Nazareth.
 

beloved57

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I have already said that. Are you willing to argue that those in the Old Testament actually knew that the Messiah was going to be Jesus of Nazareth?

Of course those in the Old Testament times knew of many prophecies which were in regard to the promised Messiah, such as Isaiah 53, but they didn't know that the Messiah would be Jesus of Nazareth.

Then if u know Messiah and Christ are the same then what you are saying is ridiculous.
 

beloved57

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I have already said that. Are you willing to argue that those in the Old Testament actually knew that the Messiah was going to be Jesus of Nazareth?

Of course those in the Old Testament times knew of many prophecies which were in regard to the promised Messiah, such as Isaiah 53, but they didn't know that the Messiah would be Jesus of Nazareth.

They knew Messiah would be God's Salvation to His People regardless of how He looked like. Simeon said Lk 2:26-32


26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.

27 And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,

28 Then took he him up in his arms, and blessed God, and said,

29 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word:

30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation,

31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people;

32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.


Simeon had Faith in Christ before Christ was born, even though he had opportunity to see Him physically and the physical circumstances He was born. Those things only validated his faith in Christ.

Believers for the most part have Faith in Christ without actually seeing Him 1 Pet 1:7-8


7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
 

DAN P

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Paul addressed the following words to all the believers, and one of those believers was Peter:

"For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. For the body is not one member, but many" (1 Cor.12:13).

Paul/s words here are addressed to ALL the believers so when he wrote that ALL have been baptized into the Body of Christ then Peter is included in the "ALL."

Hi and if you believe that , THAN the B O C will sit with Israel apostles on 12 thrones judging Israel .

Also , there is no Israel OR the B O C !!

dan p
 

Jerry Shugart

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Hi and if you believe that , THAN the B O C will sit with Israel apostles on 12 thrones judging Israel .

Dan, I believe it because it is written in the Scriptures. Why don't you believe it?

The BOC will return to the earth when the Lord Jesus returns to the earth because Paul states in no uncertain terms that once those in the Body are caught up to meet Him in the air that they will be with Him forever:

"Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord" (1Thess.4:7).​

Those in the Body will return with the Lord Jesus and at that time they will judge the world:

"Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world?" (1 Cor.6:2).​

Those in the Body will not sit on the 12 thrones of Israel but will indeed return to the earth with the Lord Jesus and then they shall judge the world.

Where did you ever get the idea that when the Lord Jesus returns to the earth those in the Body of Christ will be left behind, Dan?
 

Jerry Shugart

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They knew Messiah would be God's Salvation to His People regardless of how He looked like.

Did the OT saints know that the Messiah would be Jesus of Nazareth?

No, they didn't so they didn't know the Lord Jesus. Instead, they knew that their Scriptures foretold of a Messiah who would reign from David's throne but they didn't know that that Messiah would be Jesus of Nazareth. And you have given absolutely no evidence from the Scriptures which demonstrate that they knew the Messiah would be Jesus of Nazareth.
 

beloved57

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Did the OT saints know that the Messiah would be Jesus of Nazareth?

No, they didn't so they didn't know the Lord Jesus. Instead, they knew that their Scriptures foretold of a Messiah who would reign from David's throne but they didn't know that that Messiah would be Jesus of Nazareth. And you have given absolutely no evidence from the Scriptures which demonstrate that they knew the Messiah would be Jesus of Nazareth.

Moses believed in Christ. Heb 11, Abraham believed in Christ, God preached the Gospel to him Gal 3:8

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Abraham saw [by Faith] Christ day and was Glad Jn 8:56


Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
 

beloved57

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Hi beloved 57 , and that is found in Gal 3:28 and Col 3:11 and in Rom 12:13 !!

READ and see !!!

You do not have a VERSE , what a SHAME ??

dan p

Not one of those scriptures say the apostles arent part of the Body of Christ, thats delusion
 

Jerry Shugart

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Moses believed in Christ. Heb 11, Abraham believed in Christ, God preached the Gospel to him Gal 3:8

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

The gospel (good news) which Abraham preached was that through him shall all nations be blessed.

Abraham saw [by Faith] Christ day and was Glad Jn 8:56

Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

The verse does not say that He saw the Messiah but instead he saw the Messiah's "day," meaning that God gave him revelations concerning that day, the Millennial Reign of Christ.
 

DAN P

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Not one of those scriptures say the apostles arent part of the Body of Christ, thats delusion

Hi 57 , were the 12 apostles JEWS ?

Gal 3:28 and Col 3:11 and 1 Cor 12:13 say different !

Why does it saY in Gal 3:28 say , THERE CANNOT BE / ENI Jew nor Greek mean ?

I know your DIM EYES can not believe what it sayssssssssssssss as most Calvinism have that problem !!

dan p
 
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beloved57

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The gospel (good news) which Abraham preached was that through him shall all nations be blessed.



The verse does not say that He saw the Messiah but instead he saw the Messiah's "day," meaning that God gave him revelations concerning that day, the Millennial Reign of Christ.

Seeing His Day is same thing. He believed the Gospel that Paul believed. He understood Christ resurrection because it was typified by his Son Isaac Heb 11:17-19

17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:

19 [/SUP]Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
 
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