YEAH!...LEAVE BARRY ALONE!!!
Pot-Kettle-Black
I'm sure you have extended the same courtesy to Bush.
I think we should nation build
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Pot-Kettle-Black
I'm sure you have extended the same courtesy to Bush.
PureX
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Bush invaded and occupied a foreign nation with no exit strategy, no discernible goal, and no legitimate reason to do so. It cost hundreds of thousands of lives, maimed millions of people, and it cost many billions of dollars that we did not have to spend. When Obama does something that catastrophic, I will blame Obama along with everyone else. This isn't a pot calling a kettle black, it's a pot calling the Sears Tower black.Pot-Kettle-Black
I'm sure you have extended the same courtesy to Bush.
The economic crash is not entirely Bush's fault, as it was Bill Clinton that repealed the Glass-Stegall Act, and Clinton that signed NAFTA, the two biggest reasons for the economy collapsing. However, Bush did nothing to stop it from happening, and when it did happen, he bailed out the very people who were directly responsible. (And so did Obama.)
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
not true
he was planning on giving them democracy
same thing bammy's been counting on taking care of the mess he's allowed to happen over there
removing saddam from power isn't a discernable goal?
wmds :duh:
I mostly agree with this but I think the last statement is a bit too dismissive. Do you think there is never a time when we should get involved?
No serious threat.....I thought we had reached that point in Iraq and now look at it. Unless my memory is fuzzy. Though what we're seeing with ISIS doesn't stem from only Iraq.
I disagree, Saddam was restricted to his country with financial sanctions and a no fly zone we enforced, and even if he was doing things that required action for our national security interests it did not require all out warfare & unseating the man that was foe to our common enemy Iran to accomplish. Bush's mistake was unseating Saddam, putting forth a pro Shiite government creating a greater Persia/Iran, Bush upset the power balance by taking down Iraq and the dominos continue to tumble but however, we do agree that leaving Iraq before it was stable was a bigger mistake which belongs solely to Obama, no matter what any of us think of the Iraq war.
America's problem with Iran didn't start with the overthrow of the Shah, America's problems started in the 1950's when the US and the UK orchestrated the overthrow of a democratically elected government in Iran because of plans to nationalize that nation's oil after the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company refused to provide an audit of the books.
They replaced a democratically elected government with the SHAH and trained his state police (SAVAK) that tortured and murdered the opposition for decades.
lighthouse99
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human beings have the obligation to help those who cannot help themselves. If we had really helped Iraq to become a democracy when we had the chance, we would not have all the terrorism and evil we now have in that region (and others beyond it)
drbrumley
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And who makes that decision for you?
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
well, kinda
they replaced a democratically elected government that was flouting its own constitution and laws and was attempting to create a democratically elected dictatorship
and why call it "their" oil?
the anglo-iranian oil company did all the heavy lifting in terms of developing the resource - why shouldn't they be entitled to the rewards?
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My rebuke of the demoncrats is not an endorsement for the GOP.
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And as long as we have a thread of Iraq and Saddam Hussein, lets revisit history.
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You are correct, with the help of the British government, the Eisenhower administration overthrew Mohammad Mosaddegh (who was an ally of the Soviet Union...you've heard of the Soviet Union, they murdered over 100 million of their own people in less than a 100 year period), who held office from 1951-1953.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Mosaddegh
Evil people were executed when the Shah was in power, make no mistake about that. But you're not the least bit bothered that the theocrats that now run Iran have had a bloodbath since the Ayatollahs took over are you?
Khomeini fatwa 'led to killing of 30,000 in Iran'
CHILDREN as young as 13 were hanged from cranes, six at a time, in a barbaric two-month purge of Iran's prisons on the direct orders of Ayatollah Khomeini, according to a new book by his former deputy.
More than 30,000 political prisoners were executed in the 1988 massacre - a far larger number than previously suspected. Secret documents smuggled out of Iran reveal that, because of the large numbers of necks to be broken, prisoners were loaded onto forklift trucks in groups of six and hanged from cranes in half-hourly intervals.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ni-fatwa-led-to-killing-of-30000-in-Iran.html
Filthy barbarians.