Paul said Jesus did not send him to baptize but to preach salvation.
1 Corinthians 1:17
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
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Paul said Jesus did not send him to baptize but to preach salvation.
1 Corinthians 1:17
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
You fail to notice the fact that Paul said he served the law of God with his mind while also serving sin with the flesh. That would be impossible for a lost man and impossible for a saved man if a saved man never had to deal with sin again after he was saved.
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"WE"? We are NOT told any such thing. You're reading someone else's mail.
WE, the body of Christ, are dead to sin. We, the body of Christ, were crucified with Christ.
John is talking to the nation of Israel. He's referring to things like these:
John is NOT preaching the gospel of the grace of God. John is preaching Jesus as the Christ. Both are great, but not the same thing.
https://graceambassadors.com/prophecy/peter-james-and-john-were-not-talking-to-you
P.S. Don't forget that John agreed to confine his ministry to the circumcision. Gal 2:9
I hardly see how that could make sense. You are suggesting that Jewish believers need to confess their sins over and over after they are saved yet saved Gentiles no longer have any sins to confess?
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It's a good thing that truth is not determined by what "makes sense" to you.
No, I'm claiming that there are dispensational differences between what the TWELVE apostles that will sit on TWELVE thrones judging the TWELVE tribes of Israel taught and lived and what the ONE apostle for the ONE body taught and lived.
We, the body of Christ, are to follow Paul as he follows Christ (1 Cor11:1)... not the TWELVE.
Paul is OUR pattern. 1 Tim 1:16
You did not explain. Who was being told in 1 John to "confess our sins" in 1 John, Christians, Jews, or some other peoples?
Why do you think John violated His commitment in Galatians 2 to Paul to only go to the circumcision?
John is writing to Circumcision believers. He's not writing to Christians. That was Paul's role.
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His brethren... his people... that is who John is writing to.
Who is told to confess their sins for cleansing in 1 John?
Even if we assume John is a Jew instead of a Christian how is it true that saved Jews must continually confess their sins after conversion while saved Gentiles supposedly do not?
If "it" happened spiritually, it happened.
The "it" being crucifixion and burial with Christ.
For if they didn't actually happen, then neither did our being raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:4)
If you believed they happened, they did happened.
The confession happens before 1 John 1:7"s cleansing by the blood of Christ.
No, it isn't.
Verses 14-24 are a narrative from Paul's past under the Law.
Verse 25 is the summary.
Paul's present state is under the control of his mind, and he again remembers his past condition while in the flesh.
Nobody can walk in both the flesh and in the Spirit.
Rom 8 further delineates the two.
The Circumcision. The same people the rest of the book is addressed to.
There's no need to assume that. It's a matter of fact.
Because they are under a different set of house rules than the Body of Christ.
If you go to a friends house, and decide to play pool, and you go to shoot the 8 ball in, and your friend stops you and says "you can't just shoot it in, you have to call the pocket!", and you said "but that's not how we do it at my place," he has a different set of house rules (the Greek word is "oikonomia" (literally "house rules") that he abides by for playing pool than you do.
In the same way, the House of Israel has different "house rules" than the "Body of Christ" does. The rule for the House of Israel is that they must continually confess their sin. The rule for the Body of Christ is that their sins are forgiven already, no need to confess them."
Moses' baptism in the cloud and in the sea was a type, according to 1 Corinthians 10. It was not meant to suggest that all those who were baptized with Moses in the cloud and the see got saved.
1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
Consider the word "examples" in this passage, translated from the Greek word "tupos," from which we get the English word "type.
Hebrews 9 explains that OT people, places, rites, and events were often 'types,' figures,' illustrations.' or shadows of truth not yet revealed in their day of the anti-types to come. Adam was a "figure" of the Lord Jesus, not the Lord Jesus Himself. Baptism in the cloud and sea were figures of the death and burial of the Lord Jesus and believers in Christ, not their actual deaths and burial in the Egyptian wilderness.
19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,
20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.
21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.
22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
The best way to tell is written of in Rom 6:7..."For he that is dead is freed from sin."
Did your way provide you with a life without sinning?
Mine did...thanks be to God.
That depends on the context of a word's use.
"Atone" above means the same thing in OT and NT.
But by very different means.
Repentance is the "turn from", or, "change".
Baptism is the washing.
I beg to differ, as Mark ends with..."He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." (Mark 16:16)
Matthew ends with..."Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" (Matt 28:19)
Luke ends with..."And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem." (Luke 24:47)
Three of four gospel accounts end with Jesus commanding baptism by water, as God is the only one who can Spirit baptize.
Were these people in this group you call "The Circumcision" saved or lost?
Are you suggesting that Jews who turn to Jesus for salvation cannot have their sins washed away like others who get saved?
You write as thought there were no more unbelievers.
I can't agree with you here.
It is an error to dismiss, ignore, or change the meaning of other passages so you can maintain support for your erroneous interpretation of one passage you seem particularly focused on.
This message is to those who have been saved by faith in Jesus on the basis of His shed blood to wash away their sins:
John 1
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.