I never talk to Jesus or the Holy Spirit

[marke]

Yes.
I encounter the proverbial "fork in the road" nearly every day.
One road magnifies and glorifies the Savior that suffered and died for me, and the other serves nobody but myself.

Is it possible for Christians to choose the wrong fork in the road after they are baptized, or is it impossible?

 

[marke]

We won't attain perfection of the vessel till the last day when we are raised to meet Christ in the air.
In all other aspects of our lives, however, we can be perfect here and now.
Our water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins cleanses us of all past sins.
That, to me, is perfection, regardless of the condition of the vessel.
We can then either retain that cleanliness or throw it away.
If we endure faithfully until the end, we can then look back and say "I was saved from xxxx point."
To say so now, usurps the future judgement of God.

You will not attain total perfection until in heaven? I agree.

Php. 3

11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,

14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.

 

[Idolater]

You will not attain total perfection until in heaven? I agree.

We Catholics agree too. That's what Purgatory's all about. We'll be refined into purest 'gold' in Purgatory, 'heaven ready'. We don't believe that all your moral and ethical faults 'magically' resolve once you die. It's going to take time----just logically. Purgatory is just logical. And Apostolic. And if you all Protestants didn't 'circumcise' your Bible then it'd be much more evidently biblical, but there is 2nd Corinthians 5:10 " we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad." This means whether we're a Christian or not, we are going to "receive" . . . "whether it be good or bad". That's Purgatory, for the "bad" "things done in [our] body".

Php. 3

11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,

14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.

The "same rule" and "same thing" is going to Mass, to be honest. Paul's just saying that he still goes to Mass weekly just like the Philippian Church was going to Mass weekly. It's how you get " transformed by the renewing of your mind," it's by going to Mass, and it's exactly the 'same way' that Paul was still doing it for himself in this life on this earth in real life.

 

[Right Divider]

We Catholics agree too. That's what Purgatory's all about. We'll be refined into purest 'gold' in Purgatory, 'heaven ready'.

It's too bad... since Christ dies for your sins and yet you still think that He will allow you to "pitch in ".

We don't believe that all your moral and ethical faults 'magically' resolve once you die.

That is so confused that it's crazy. Those as sins that Christ died for.

It's going to take time----just logically. Purgatory is just logical.

No it's not... it's evil and denies the sufficiency of the Lord Jesus Christ's death on the cross.

And Apostolic. And if you all Protestants didn't 'circumcise' your Bible then it'd be much more evidently biblical, but there is 2nd Corinthians 5:10 " we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad." This means whether we're a Christian or not, we are going to "receive" . . . "whether it be good or bad". That's Purgatory, for the "bad" "things done in [our] body".

Christ DIED for our SINS.

The "same rule" and "same thing" is going to Mass, to be honest. Paul's just saying that he still goes to Mass weekly just like the Philippian Church was going to Mass weekly. It's how you get " transformed by the renewing of your mind," it's by going to Mass, and it's exactly the 'same way' that Paul was still doing it for himself in this life on this earth in real life.

Paul never went to "mass". Paul would abhor "mass" for the evil that it is.

 

[Idolater]

It's too bad... since Christ dies for your sins and yet you still think that He will allow you to "pitch in ".

That is so confused that it's crazy. Those as sins that Christ died for.

I'm not talking about the sins, I'm talking about your mental habits that produces those sins. That's a part of you, it's part of who you are, and there's no possibility that this part of you is going anywhere near heaven. It's got to be purged out of you.

No it's not... it's evil and denies the sufficiency of the Lord Jesus Christ's death on the cross.

Christ DIED for our SINS.

Well duh.

Paul never went to "mass". Paul would abhor "mass" for the evil that it is.

Agree to disagree.

 

[Right Divider]

I'm not talking about the sins, I'm talking about your mental habits that produces those sins.

We, the body of Christ, are already seated in heavenly places.

Eph 2:1-10 (AKJV/PCE)
(2:1) And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins; (2:2) Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: (2:3) Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. (2:4) But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, (2:5) Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved (2:6) And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus: (2:7) That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in [his] kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast. (2:10) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Your RCC theories are anti-Biblical.

That's a part of you, it's part of who you are, and there's no possibility that this part of you is going anywhere near heaven. It's got to be purged out of you.

Nope, I'm already there. You should join us in the body of Christ.

Col 3:1-4 (AKJV/PCE)
(3:1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. (3:2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. (3:3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. (3:4) When Christ, [who is] our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

Paul never says anything about your bogus "purging".

 

[Idolater]

We, the body of Christ, are already seated in heavenly places.

Your RCC theories are anti-Biblical.

Nope, I'm already there. You should join us in the body of Christ.

You're obviously on your 'device' somewhere posting. That part of you is NOT in heaven right now. You're just being ridiculous.

Paul never says anything about your bogus "purging".

He's the one who says you're going to "receive" "whether it be good or bad" "the things done in [your] body". Not me. That's Paul.

 

[Right Divider]

You're obviously on your 'device' somewhere posting. That part of you is NOT in heaven right now. You're just being ridiculous.

So you don't believe the scripture? Got it.

He's the one who says you're going to "receive" "whether it be good or bad" "the things done in [your] body". Not me. That's Paul.

At the judgement seat of Christ... not in some "purgatory".

 

[Idolater]

So you don't believe the scripture? Got it.

How's your laptop /notebook /smartphone up there in heaven? Are you believing the Scripture if you just say that no, your device isn't with you in heaven right now?

At the judgement seat of Christ... not in some "purgatory".

Oh I see. So how does this 'square' with Him having died for our sins? How can we "receive" "the things done in [our] body" that are "bad", according to MAD?

 

[Hoping]

Do your prophets speak new revelation from God that is not revealed in the Bible?

Yes, especially things having to do with modern life.

They should not add to the word of God like that now that the perfect and completed Bible has come.

Why do you think the present day bible can't be refined a bit more?
Some of the olde English words have morphed to other meanings and others have fallen into disuse entirely.
BTW, The only version of the bible I trust is the KJV.

 

[Hoping]

Do we have to be told to walk in the Spirit after we are saved?

No, as we will be in heaven being judged when we find out we are saved.
Until then, we are on the road to salvation.

Is it possible for Christians to walk in the flesh after they are saved until they are told to walk in the Spirit?

You mean...Is it possible for Christians to walk in the flesh after THEY THINK they are saved?
Look around you.
How any so-called church members still commit sin?

 

[Hoping]

Are you saying we need to be reproved and corrected for our growth after we are saved? Reproved and corrected because of besetting sins?

You mean...Are you saying we need to be reproved and corrected for our growth after we have been CONVERTED?
Sometimes, as the Corinthians and Galatian letters proved.
If the reproofs are taken to heart, we will manifest where our heart is centered.
If not, it will be clear we have not really been converted.

I didn't know everything on my first day in Christ...like manner of dress, for instance.
Or, joking around when it wasn't profitable.

 

[Hoping]

Have you sinned since you were saved by not doing every little thing God wanted you to do?

I have not sinned since I was converted.

 

[Hoping]

Are you saying that if we sin after we are baptized then God has provided us an escape from that sin?

Yes, He did, but we didn't take the escape.
Had we sought the escape, and taken it, there would not have been a sin.
The escaping happens before sin is committed.

 

[Hoping]

If you are still not yet saved does that mean you are not yet born again?

No.
Being born again is one of the first things men must do in order to get on the path to the salvation awarded on the last day.

 

[Hoping]

So Paul was born again and served God with his mind but his vessel was not born again, tempting him to sin?

Romans 7:25
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

As it is written in 2 Cor 5:17..."Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."
Paul served God with his mind, and the NEW skin and bones followed along.
When Paul uses the word "flesh" it is often a descriptor of the previous life style, lived after the fleshly minded lusts.
In Rom 7:25, it is a nod to his past, while he is now living in, and walking after, the Spirit.

I have wished, on more than a few occasions, that he had written "skin and bones" instead of "flesh" sometimes, just to juxtapose the past life from the present life in Christ.
I wish he had used the phrase "fleshly minded" sometimes.

Either way, we can thank God we are now in the Spirit instead of in the "fleshly minded" world.

 

[Hoping]

When you see the vessel in the mirror are you seeing a vessel that cannot sin?

He was talking about his vessel.
That which he had not yet attained was written of in the prior verse, the resurrection from the dead, where we will get the perfect vessel.
It is written..."Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself." (Phil 3:21)

You are again using an inappropriate scripture to make a point.
There is no mention of a mirror in Phil 3, but in Phil 3 Paul is indeed talking about his vessel.

 

[Idolater]

You are again using an inappropriate scripture to make a point.
There is no mention of a mirror in Phil 3, but in Phil 3 Paul is indeed talking about his vessel.

Are you Catholic, Hoping?

 

[Hoping]

There are none in your church with the gift of working miracles? That supports my opinion that the sign gifts have ceased.

1 Corinthians 13:10
But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

If we need one, it will come about.
I have experienced more than a few miracles myself.
Just my close escapes while driving would make a good book.

 

[Hoping]

I believe adding to the finished word of God is a sin.

Revelation 22:18
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

Nothing has been added to scripture especially the Revelations one which you use pertains to.
It is more often explanations of scripture for our church's use.

For instance..."For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come." (1 Tim 4:8)
Is bodily exercise unprofitable?
No, but in comparison to Godliness, it fades in importance.