Free would be god just giving you salvation for nothing. But you have to worship him, and obey his laws for him to give you salvation (Revelation 21:8). If you have to do/not do anything for salvation, it is not free.And of course, if we do not accept god's imposition, then we must pay for the sin he so kindly bestowed upon us at birth ( Psalm 51:5).
How to Receive Christ as Your Savior and be Born Again
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Free would be god just giving you salvation for nothing. But you have to worship him, and obey his laws for him to give you salvation (Revelation 21:8). If you have to do/not do anything for salvation, it is not free.And of course, if we do not accept god's imposition, then we must pay for the sin he so kindly bestowed upon us at birth ( Psalm 51:5).
Epoisses
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Nope, you just have to believe it's free. The battle of faith is going against the world where you have to 'earn' everything.
beloved57
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Epoisses
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Your faith is stunted, hyper-Clavinist!
Well regardless of if you convince yourself it's free or not, it still isn't free. I can convince myself that I didn't pay for my car, but in reality I did.
But still, if you have to say "all you have to do is (insert anything here)" then it is not free. Again, if you have to do ANYTHING for salvation, it isn't free.
LIAR!!!
Idiot Hyper-Calvinist!!!
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You make a valid point. Some preachers almost seem like they got their education from a Monty Python script where an all powerful being is having a tantrum because the programming in one of his creations is flawed and it fails to ceaselessly praise him. :kookoo:
jsanford108
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jsanford108
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Hello friend. I would say that a majority of the Biblical events described in the Scriptures could not be imagined by man. Revelation, in my opinion, shows the inability of man to fully describe things beyond his natural experience.
If you could, give an example of a "sign" that is man made, and lacks evidence. No need to give an exact quote for me. I assure you, I will approach this subject with logic and reason, and I certainly won't shy away from difficult topics.
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beloved57
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All talk no proof. You believe and follow the devils doctrine of arminianism !
beloved57
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No. Those Christ died for, He has paid the penalty of their sins, which is death . Gods Justice has been satisfied for them, and Christ has obeyed the Law perfectly for them. It would make God unjust to otherwise condemn them !
Epoisses
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Jesus saved you 2000 years ago before you were born or repented or did anything good or bad. Get in your time machine and go back to the cross and help Jesus save yourself, lol.
Sin against love? You got it. Hell is excited to meet you (Is 14:9 NASB). :burnlib:
No one is forcing you to accept the Lord as your Savior. You love your sin too much (Heb 11:25). :idunno: Drink up
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Can God make us repent?
No.
Salvation in Jesus Christ cost you nothing because it is a free gift from God.
However, heaven almost went bankrupt when the prince of glory left heaven to provide salvation for you.
The reason that you will be going to hell is because you have rejected God's great free gift of salvation. That cost Jesus Christ everything.
Who said salvation is free? It isn't.
What is it that you won't return? :smokie: He gave his all (Ro 5:8).
"May the Lamb that was slain receive the reward of His suffering!" ~ Johann Leonhard Dober and David Nitschmann
You don't worship him (which is right and good) and you can't obey his law because you're a pagan heathen.
You thought we expected you to be able to obey his law? Ro 8:8
It is free (Eph 2:8-9). It cost him everything (Ro 5:8).
You have been given a gift. You are not accepting it. That's your choice. Josh 24:15