fishrovmen
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Sure you do. Your beliefs such as God doesn't see people, God is not active in the world, God sees all people as "in Christ", God imputes sins back to people after they were already forgiven etc.
How the Gospel Makes Calvinism, Catholicism, All Religions as Worthless
- Thread starter Robert Pate
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Sure you do. Your beliefs such as God doesn't see people, God is not active in the world, God sees all people as "in Christ", God imputes sins back to people after they were already forgiven etc.
beloved57
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Pateism is like all false religions of man, which denies salvation by Grace, and promoting salvation by the will and works of man.
You have a real problem believing that God can impute sin back to people.
The scripture is in the Bible. "Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin" Romans 4:8.
So it is very apparent that God can and will impute sin. "Jesus is Lord" this means that he has conquered sin. You might even say that he is the Lord over sin, he can now do with it what he wants, it is at his disposal. If he wants to he can impute it back to unbelievers.
beloved57
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Those Christ died for are reconciled to God while they are enemies and unbelievers. Rom 5:10
fishrovmen
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Verse snatchers such as yourself fail to see the context in which the verse you tore from it's rightful place amongst many verses that unfold to us the gracious blessings of faith in Christ.
I have never seen anyone use a single verse to try a prove a man made doctrine, (pateism) not understanding that the verse they use says the exact opposite. Paul is talking about receiving blessings and being spared condemnation. You are using the verse to try and prove cursing and condemnation.
Its important that every scripture fits the "Historical Gospel" of Jesus Christ so that you have correct doctrine.
Romans 4:8 fits the Gospel just fine.
Jesus reconciles the world to God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19 and because of that God is at peace with the world, Colossians 1:20. But that does not mean that their will not be a judgment of believers and unbelievers when Christ returns.
Romans 4:8 is in the Bible, deal with it.
fishrovmen
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I love Romans 4:8! and it fits perfectly right where Paul wrote it (which is a quote from Psalm 32).
It fits perfectly with all the verses that surround it.
Hopefully, one day you will come to understand that once sins are forgiven, God doesn't change His mind.
That is the hope of the believer in Christ; in His faithfulness to not charge our sins against us.
Romans 4:8 is not about what God might or might not do, it is about what is ALREADY DONE!! if you truly believed that Jesus atoned for ALL the sins of the whole world, then they are all GONE...no where to be found...forgiven fully and completely and finally!
Abraham is a real person who exhibited real faith and received a real righteousness that was credited to his account. Through him, countless peoples have also received a real blessing of righteousness by faith; not Jews only, but also Gentiles. It was not by works, but by promise. The same promise that I, myself, through faith, am believing that my sins are fully, completely and finally forgiven for EVER.
If you want to believe in some kind of temporary forgiveness of sins, or the forgiveness of only some sins, or a god who changes it's mind or whatever you actually believe, then that's on you.
But we who understand what Paul is writing in Romans 4, will continue to glory in the promises of the unchanging God of Abraham, that we, through faith such as Abraham's, will continue to trust that our sins are removed from us forever.
beloved57
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You teach that sinners Christ came to save still wind up lost in their sins, so denying that He is a Saviour !
Nanja
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Yep! That's an abomination to the Truth of what Christ accomplished for all them He died for!
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fishrovmen
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If your supposed "Historical Gospel" that includes all your unique Pateisms is the standard by which you fit the Holy scriptures, then it is no wonder that your beliefs are unorthodox.
Instead of starting with Brinsmead and trying to fit the Scriptures to his nonsense, start and finish with the unchanging,eternal, God breathed word that the Almighty wrote!
You would like to do away with the judgment. That is typical of a Calvinist. There will be a judgment when Christ returns. If you are not found to be "In Christ" your sins will be imputed back to you and you will be condemned, Romans 4:8.
fishrovmen
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I never once said that there will be no judgment. Typical of you to bear false witness and try to deflect the attention due your unbiblical doctrines.
fishrovmen
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You make a mockery of the suffering of Christ and all that He went through to secure our salvation. It is unfathomable that you would think that the Father allowed His only begotten Son, who had no sin of His own, yet was made sin for us; to suffer rejection, betrayal, mockings, scourgings, plucking the beard, a crown of thorns, severe grief and the burden of bearing the Father's wrath and so much more. Only to temporarily forgive sins and make all of that suffering null and void when He charges those sins back to peoples accounts? Seriously? B57 is right on this one, that you teach that many for whom Christ suffered death shall yet perish due to those very sins that He supposedly offered propitiation.
Christ suffering was not in vain. He victoriously defeated sin. death and the devil and in doing so secured heaven for all that believe in him. The message of the New Testament is that Jesus is Lord. He is Lord over ALL THINGS, Colossians 1:20. He now has the right to impute sins back to those who are not believers.
Nothing that Christ has done or is will be yours if it is not received by faith, John 1:12.
In the judgment you will be judged to see if you have faith in Christ or if you just have faith in a religion. It appears that like B57 you have faith in a doctrine or a religion.
Then what do you believe that the purpose of the judgment is? It will be the judgment of believers and unbelievers. If you are not found to be "In Christ" your sins will be imputed back to you and you will perish.
fishrovmen
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To render to each man according to his deeds, just like Paul wrote.
fishrovmen
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Just stick with what has been revealed by the Holy Spirit in the Holy Scriptures and don't make stuff up and you will do well.
If its not in the Bible I don't embrace it and neither should you. All of this religious stuff like Calvinism and Catholicism is nothing but garbage.
Jesus has victoriously met all of the requirements for our salvation and justification. We are complete in him, Colossians 2:10. All that we need to do is enter into his rest, Hebrews 4:10.