How the Gospel Makes Calvinism, Catholicism, All Religions as Worthless

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Robert Pate

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beloved57 said:
Ok you believe that your faith is counted as righteousness, and not Christ! That's the difference between you and I, Christ is my Righteousness, the object of my Faith !
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Take a deep breath and try to open your closed mind.

Romans 4:5 says, "But to him that does NO WORKS, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly (here it comes) HIS FAITH IS COUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS"

Did you get that? Faith is counted for righteousness.

The reason that faith is counted for righteousness is because it is our faith that brings us into union with Christ who is our righteousness.
 
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Cruciform said:
Already answered (Post #2).

Back to Post #12 above.



You place Pate-ism over the Bible and even over the Gospel.



Gaudium de veritate,

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You are an unfortunate person.

You have gone down to the city dump to find pearls and precious gems, when all of the time they were in your pocket.
 
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beloved57

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Robert Pate said:
Take a deep breath and try to open your closed mind.

Romans 4:5 says, "But to him that does NO WORKS, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly (here it comes) HIS FAITH IS COUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS"

Did you get that? Faith is counted for righteousness.

The reason that faith is counted for righteousness is because it is our faith that brings us into union with Christ who is our righteousness.
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So you see the difference ? You say God counts mans faith as righteousness, True Believers know that God counts Christ as Our Righteousness, who is the Object of Our Spirit given Faith ! He was revealed to Our Spirit given Faith as Our Righteousness !

Faith is a fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22 and not in the natural man ! The natural man cannot please God Rom 8:8 which Faith does Heb 11:6 !

All for whom Christ Lived and died for, He Himself Believed for them first of all !
 
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beloved57 said:
So you see the difference ? You say God counts mans faith as righteousness, True Believers know that God counts Christ as Our Righteousness, who is the Object of Our Spirit given Faith ! He was revealed to Our Spirit given Faith as Our Righteousness !

Faith is a fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22 and not in the natural man ! The natural man cannot please God Rom 8:8 which Faith does Heb 11:6 !

All for whom Christ Lived and died for, He Himself Believed for them first of all !
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You are insulting Christianity by saying that Jesus believes for us.

All of those that were burned at the stake because of their witness for Christ and his Gospel, will condemn you in the judgment.
 
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Robert Pate said:
You are insulting Christianity by saying that Jesus believes for us.

All of those that were burned at the stake because of their witness for Christ and his Gospel, will condemn you in the judgment.
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You the one teaching that God counts mans faith as his righteousness ! I teach that God counts Christ as mans righteousness, if He died for them !
 
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beloved57 said:
You the one teaching that God counts mans faith as his righteousness ! I teach that God counts Christ as mans righteousness, if He died for them !
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"Faith is counted for righteousness" Romans 4:5.

This righteousness is to our account. We don't have it yet.

There is only one righteousness that is imputed to us because of our faith, it is the righteousness of Christ.
 
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beloved57

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Robert Pate said:
"Faith is counted for righteousness" Romans 4:5.

This righteousness is to our account. We don't have it yet.

There is only one righteousness that is imputed to us because of our faith, it is the righteousness of Christ.
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Again, you believe that mans faith is his righteousness, True Believers believe Christ is Our Righteousness 1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption
 
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beloved57 said:
Again, you believe that mans faith is his righteousness, True Believers believe Christ is Our Righteousness 1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption
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The righteousness of Christ is not yours if you don't by your own free will believe in Jesus.

We receive the righteousness of Christ by faith in the doing and the dying of Jesus.
 
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beloved57

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The righteousness of Christ is not yours if you don't by your own free will believe in Jesus.

We receive the righteousness of Christ by faith in the doing and the dying of Jesus.
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Those Christ Lived for, kept the Law for are Righteous. Are you saying that someone who has obeyed God's Law perfectly is not Righteous ?

By the Obedience of One, Many are made Righteous Rom 5:19, now are you calling God a Liar ?
 
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beloved57 said:
Those Christ Lived for, kept the Law for are Righteous. Are you saying that someone who has obeyed God's Law perfectly is not Righteous ?

By the Obedience of One, Many are made Righteous Rom 5:19, now are you calling God a Liar ?
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True, but Jesus is not going to believe for you.
 
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beloved57

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Robert Pate said:
True, but Jesus is not going to believe for you.
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He kept the Law for them He Lived and died for. Didnt He believe while doing that ? Scripture says He believed/Trusted Heb 2:13

13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

In order to keep the Law, you must first believe in God !
 
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beloved57 said:
This foolish statement is like saying Christ did not obey the Law for them !:cigar:
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The law has nothing to do with faith and believing. Instead of twisting and perverting the scriptures, why don't you just try believing them.

"He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that does not believe is condemned already, because he does not believe in the name of the only begotten Son of God" John 3:18.
 
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beloved57

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Robert Pate said:
The law has nothing to do with faith and believing. Instead of twisting and perverting the scriptures, why don't you just try believing them.

"He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that does not believe is condemned already, because he does not believe in the name of the only begotten Son of God" John 3:18.
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If Jesus kept the Law for them He had Faith for them, for Faith is that which ought to have been done!Matt 23:23 ! You calling Jesus Christ a liar, a deceiver?
 
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beloved57 said:
If Jesus kept the Law for them He had Faith for them, for Faith is that which ought to have been done!Matt 23:23 ! You calling Jesus Christ a liar, a deceiver?
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You have 0 scripture that says Jesus has faith for us.

You keep coming up with these Calvinist fairy tales.
 
beloved57

beloved57

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Robert Pate said:
You have 0 scripture that says Jesus has faith for us.

You keep coming up with these Calvinist fairy tales.
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Jesus Kept the Law, He had Faith, for Faith is required in Keeping God's Law Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Are you denying that Jesus says Faith ought to be done in keeping the Law ?
 
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