How Jesus Justifies the Ungodly and Reconciles Them Unto God

Robert Pate

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"But to him that does no works, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. All things are of God, who has reconciled us into himself by Jesus Christ. God was in Christ reconciling us and the world unto himself, not imputing their sins unto them. Romans 4:5, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.

The Gospel is good news for sinners and bad news for the religious self righteous. Those that accepted Jesus and repented, were prostitutes, thieves, tax collectors, etc. The Pharisees accused Jesus of being a wine bibber and a friend of sinners, Luke 7:34 also Matthew 9:10. Many find this offensive that Jesus was a friend of sinners, yet did not Jesus say that he came into the world to save sinners? Matthew 9:13. It should be no surprise then that it was the sinners that believed upon him, while the self righteous wanted to crucify him.

How does Jesus justify ungodly sinners and reconcile them unto God? Does he do this by doing something inside of them by the Holy Spirit? If that were true then the incarnation of Jesus was worthless. Jesus could have stayed in heaven and God could have sent the Holy Spirit into the world and rehabilitated lost sinners, making them holy and righteous. Of course we know that is not how Jesus justifies ungodly sinners and reconciles them unto God. It is the work of Satan to make the incarnation of Jesus Christ as something useless.

The Gospel took place totally and completely outside of us, we had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with it. Paul wrote, "While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us" Romans 5:8. Before we were ever born salvation had already been provided for us and not us only, but also for the whole world, 1 John 2:2. Jesus, as God's new Adam and our new humanity, 2 Corinthians 5:17, had already made salvation available for everyone that would do no more than call upon his name to be saved, "Whosoever that shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13. No religion needed, no predestination needed, no Catholic church needed, Jesus has done it all and he did it perfectly. Jesus saves and he saves to the uttermost, Hebrews 7:25.
 

Robert Pate

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The "Historical Gospel" of Jesus Christ calls all religious thought into question.

If we are complete "In Christ" Colossians 2:10 and nothing more is needed to make us acceptable to God, then what good is Calvinism, Catholicism or any religion?

If we have been made to sit in heavenly places in Jesus Christ, Ephesians 2:6, then how are we going to improve upon that?
 

jamie

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The Bible is full of it, see Romans 5:12-21 also 2 Corinthians 5:17-19, 1 Corinthians 15:45.

Not one of your scriptures makes reference to Jesus becoming a new Adam.

What it does say is that Jesus is the LAST Adam. Last as in no other. Final.

A bride does not beget life, but the Last Adam does.
 

Robert Pate

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Not one of your scriptures makes reference to Jesus becoming a new Adam.

What it does say is that Jesus is the LAST Adam. Last as in no other. Final.

A bride does not beget life, but the Last Adam does.

Who do you think that Jesus was if he was not the new Adam?
 

God's Truth

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How Jesus Justifies the Ungodly and Reconciles Them Unto God
"But to him that does no works, but believes on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. All things are of God, who has reconciled us into himself by Jesus Christ. God was in Christ reconciling us and the world unto himself, not imputing their sins unto them. Romans 4:5, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.

Those scriptures are about not doing these works:


The Burnt Offering; The Grain Offering; The Fellowship Offering; The Sin Offering; The Guilt Offering; Dietary Laws; Purification After Childbirth; Cleansing From Infectious Skin Diseases; Cleansing From Mildew; Discharges Causing Uncleanness; The Day of Atonement; Rules for Priests; The Sabbath; Firstfruits; The Passover and Unleavened Bread; Feast of Weeks; Feast of Trumpets; Feast of Tabernacles; Oil and Bread Set Before The LORD; the Sabbath Year; The Year of Jubilee; Circumcision.
 

God's Truth

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The Gospel is good news for sinners and bad news for the religious self righteous. Those that accepted Jesus and repented, were prostitutes, thieves, tax collectors, etc. The Pharisees accused Jesus of being a wine bibber and a friend of sinners, Luke 7:34 also Matthew 9:10. Many find this offensive that Jesus was a friend of sinners, yet did not Jesus say that he came into the world to save sinners? Matthew 9:13. It should be no surprise then that it was the sinners that believed upon him, while the self righteous wanted to crucify him.

That is right---the prostitutes, thieves, tax collectors REPENTED of their sins.

Jesus did not just hang around unrepentant sinners. Jesus told them to repent or perish.
 

God's Truth

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How does Jesus justify ungodly sinners and reconcile them unto God? Does he do this by doing something inside of them by the Holy Spirit? If that were true then the incarnation of Jesus was worthless.

Through Jesus we have access to the Father by one Spirit.

The Holy Spirit cleans us, makes us righteous/sanctified/justified, which is a circumcising of our hearts, when he makes his home inside out heart, after we are accepted by God, after we obey, after we repent of our sins and call on him.
 

God's Truth

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Jesus could have stayed in heaven and God could have sent the Holy Spirit into the world and rehabilitated lost sinners, making them holy and righteous. Of course we know that is not how Jesus justifies ungodly sinners and reconciles them unto God. It is the work of Satan to make the incarnation of Jesus Christ as something useless.
Jesus had to shed his blood for the forgiveness of sins. That was the plan before the creation of the world.

In the old law lambs were sacrificed for the sins of the people.

God did not like it that when the Jews would sin, animals were sacrificed, but the Jews were not really sorry for their sins.

That made their blood sacrifices as throw away blood, as in the menstrual blood from women’s rags.

When we want to be saved, we must repent of our sins, or our righteous act of having faith will be as useless as a filthy rag.
 

God's Truth

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The Gospel took place totally and completely outside of us, we had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with it. Paul wrote, "While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us"Romans 5:8. Before we were ever born salvation had already been provided for us and not us only, but also for the whole world, 1 John 2:2. Jesus, as God's new Adam and our new humanity, 2 Corinthians 5:17, had already made salvation available for everyone that would do no more than call upon his name to be saved,"Whosoever that shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13. No religion needed, no predestination needed, no Catholic church needed, Jesus has done it all and he did it perfectly. Jesus saves and he saves to the uttermost, Hebrews 7:25.

We need to hear the message. That message is NOT what you teach. The message is about being convinced that we are sinners and repenting of those sins
 

Robert Pate

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We need to hear the message. That message is NOT what you teach. The message is about being convinced that we are sinners and repenting of those sins

You are totally and completely blind as to what the Gospel is.

You seem to think that the Gospel is about you. The Gospel is not about you. The Gospel is about Jesus Christ and how he justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and then reconciles them to God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.
 

God's Truth

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You are totally and completely blind as to what the Gospel is.

You seem to think that the Gospel is about you. The Gospel is not about you. The Gospel is about Jesus Christ and how he justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and then reconciles them to God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.

Lol...the gospel is about us. Jesus died for us, and it is up to us to seek and find, and it is up to us to live for God.

You have a mantra taught to you by men and not God.
 

beloved57

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You are totally and completely blind as to what the Gospel is.

You seem to think that the Gospel is about you. The Gospel is not about you. The Gospel is about Jesus Christ and how he justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and then reconciles them to God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.

You teach a false gospel of salvation by works, by what a person does.
 

beloved57

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You have never responded to Jesus and his Gospel, because you want to be saved some other way. There is no other way. This is why he doesn't know you.
You right, I will not respond to the jesus you preach, a failure as a savior.

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Robert Pate

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You right, I will not respond to the jesus you preach, a failure as a savior.

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Jesus is not a failure. He has reconciled a world of lost sinners unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. But you are not included in that reconciliation because you have never accepted his great free gift of salvation that reconciles you to God.
 

beloved57

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Jesus is not a failure. He has reconciled a world of lost sinners unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. But you are not included in that reconciliation because you have never accepted his great free gift of salvation that reconciles you to God.
The jesus you preach is a failure

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