Funny how people quote such things and twist them around to suit their own viewpoints not realizing that Paul is always speaking of his own weaknesses and how it is that when he is weak Messiah is strong in and through him. That would likely be due, in the strictly physical sense, to the high probability that Paul was a vegetarian, (for "Thou shalt not murder-kill", period, without stipulation), eating only "broma" which concerns only those foods which Elohim has openly proclaimed from the beginning as foods to be consumed by mankind for physical nourishment, (Genesis 1:29). If one looks into most of the passages where Paul speaks of such things the same will find in most occasions that he uses the various forms of the word broma; and when a person looks honestly at what broma actually stands for in the older definitions it completely changes the meaning of what he is saying in most of those passages.
How important is the Sabbath?
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Funny how people quote such things and twist them around to suit their own viewpoints not realizing that Paul is always speaking of his own weaknesses and how it is that when he is weak Messiah is strong in and through him. That would likely be due, in the strictly physical sense, to the high probability that Paul was a vegetarian, (for "Thou shalt not murder-kill", period, without stipulation), eating only "broma" which concerns only those foods which Elohim has openly proclaimed from the beginning as foods to be consumed by mankind for physical nourishment, (Genesis 1:29). If one looks into most of the passages where Paul speaks of such things the same will find in most occasions that he uses the various forms of the word broma; and when a person looks honestly at what broma actually stands for in the older definitions it completely changes the meaning of what he is saying in most of those passages.
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[FONT="]Firstfruits[/FONT]
[FONT="]The Feast of Unleavened Bread is a feast that is often mistaken for Passover. Passover is one 24 hour period, while the Feast of Unleavened Bread lasts for seven days. The Feast of Unleavened Bread is also a rest day where no work is to be done. That would also exclude attending a grave site to prep a body on the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Passover was always on the Seventh Day of Rest, Preparation Day was always the day before, and the Feast of Unleavened Bread was always the day after the Sabbath Day of Rest and the Passover. A biblical definition of firstfruits would include the first of most anything that come from the ground or animals. The people would go home on Monday and gather their offerings and bring it back to the temple. [/FONT]
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[FONT="]Luke 23:56[/FONT][FONT="]. [/FONT]
[FONT="]Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.[/FONT]
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[FONT="]The biblical calendar is a 364 day a year calendar, which places the holidays on the same day of the week every year. When Christ was hung on the stake, both calendars were in use; the Biblical Calendar, and the Civil Hebrew Calendar. Which calendar do you think Christ and the disciples used; the Biblical Calendar, or the Civil Hebrew Calendar?[/FONT]
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[FONT="]All three of these holidays involved firstfruit offerings at the Temple. [/FONT]
- [FONT="]Passover[/FONT][FONT="] was in the early spring, and it included firstfruits from the first harvest of barley. [/FONT]
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- [FONT="]Shavuot[/FONT][FONT="] was in the late spring, and it included firstfruits from the wheat harvest. Among the many different offerings given, was a "wave offering" of two loaves of leavened bread. This was also a firstfruits offering. [/FONT]
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- [FONT="]Sukkot[/FONT][FONT="] was in the fall, and it was the final harvest which included firstfruits of olives and grapes. [/FONT]
And what about the following statement from Peter?
Acts 10:9-14 ASV
9 Now on the morrow, as they were on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour:
10 and he became hungry, and desired to eat: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance;
11 and he beholdeth the heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending, as it were a great sheet, let down by four corners upon the earth:
12 wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts and creeping things of the earth and birds of the heaven.
13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill and eat.
14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common and unclean.
How many YEARS was this statement after Mark 7:19 which the bacon lovers love to quote?
Peter says "I have NEVER eaten anything that is common or unclean!" :chuckle:
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[FONT="]The first day of the week to the Jews is Sunday. The first day of the week to the Romans was Monday. The first day of the week after the two Sabbath is Monday. The seventh day Sabbath was about to begin when Christ died on the stake. [/FONT]
[FONT="]Matthew 28:1
After the Sabbath, [plural] at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.
"first day of the week" According to who or what?[/FONT]
[FONT="]If Matthew 28 is addressing Romans, then it may mean Monday. And if it is speaking of being after the Sabbaths, [plural] then that also would be Monday. That Saturday and Sunday were both Sabbaths. It was against biblical law for the women to attend Christ grave that Sunday.[/FONT]
[FONT="]In Satan worship Sunday is his day. The Sabbath of the lord was Sunday. Satan was also called lord, and Sunday was his day. Just a trivial note.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Scripture says "three days" and "three nights." There is no doubt from what is written that Christ died just before sundown on Friday the 13th.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Three days and three nights from Friday before sundown would be:
Night 1 - Friday night
Day 1 - Saturday
Night 2 Saturday night
Day 2 - Sunday
Night 3 - Sunday night
Day 3 - Monday
Putting the resurrection at Monday before sundown.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Matthew 28:1
After the Sabbath, [plural] at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.
"first day of the week" According to who or what?[/FONT]
[FONT="]If Matthew 28 is addressing Romans, then it may mean Monday. And if it is speaking of being after the Sabbaths, [plural] then that also would be Monday. That Saturday and Sunday were both Sabbaths. It was against biblical law for the women to attend Christ grave that Sunday.[/FONT]
[FONT="]In Satan worship Sunday is his day. The Sabbath of the lord was Sunday. Satan was also called lord, and Sunday was his day. Just a trivial note.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Scripture says "three days" and "three nights." There is no doubt from what is written that Christ died just before sundown on Friday the 13th.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Three days and three nights from Friday before sundown would be:
Night 1 - Friday night
Day 1 - Saturday
Night 2 Saturday night
Day 2 - Sunday
Night 3 - Sunday night
Day 3 - Monday
Putting the resurrection at Monday before sundown.[/FONT]
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Christ and the disciples kept the Sabbath, along with the new converts. It was the catholics who changed the Sabbath to Sunday.
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First Sunday Law enacted by Emperor Constantine -
March, 321 A.D.
March, 321 A.D.
"On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain-sowing or for vine-planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost." (Given the 7th day of March, Crispus and Constantine being consuls each of them for the second time [A.D. 321].)
Source: Codex Justinianus, lib. 3, tit. 12, 3; trans. in Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, Vol. 3 (5th ed.; New York: Scribner, 1902), p. 380, note 1.
Which other sabbath? Passover? Now you really are in a corner as it was given much later than the seventh day sabbath and well, as you argue, to only Israel.
Is marriage only for Israel? Both sabbath and marriage were instituted about the same time for the same people.
Oh NOW it's for everyone? Funny how this "new" covenant is established with "take eat this is My body" said to a room full of people from just one tribe but you want the promise without the terms.
Heb 4:9 says a sabbath keeping remains not just rest...
Thankfully as in Him there remains much work to do for the harvest is waiting and persecutions to endure...oh and keep my commandments which are His Father's just as He kept them.
So you are free to kill steal lie and fornicate? The Law being fulfilled so you don't need to...its destroyed...
So we ARE free to kill steal lie and fornicate...?
Ummm...right. Of course Noah didn't keep Passover...he had to build an ark as His wrath did not pass over. Abraham had no need of a temple as he spoke face to face. These are different covenants but the Law remains the same. And faith then obedience to instruction is the pattern...
Exactly according to Deut 5:3 as their fathers not only weren't passed over but were forgotten and they needed to be reminded as to their faith and obedience and to what.
Ummm yes it was...Abraham did not have this covenant but he did have its terms- faith and obedience. As if Abraham would reject the Mosiac covenant. He was even circumcised at 99...
Moses' law? given by Who?
And of course Adam didn't have a Passover or a temple nor did he have a Savior with a covenant with one tribe of Israel known as the Davidic covenant. But was Adam allowed to murder steal lie or fornicate etc? Nope.
you are the one going on about it is Moses' law and not eternal and not known before Sinai...
people also know they need a day of rest...their Creator made sure of that and clarified which day...
He also made woman for man but some sinners reject her too...
and He would have you do what...not keep His Father's will that we obey Him?
Go and sin no more means exactly that...be mindful of what is pointing out sin...the Law.
so the Noah covenant done away with?
Adam's?
Its not calling out "Lord Lord" but doing the will of His Father...a Lawgiver and Judge BTW
Without Law there is no Mercy.
There were no sacrifices for intentional sin. What you mean to say is as dead as the rock it was written on the Law had no Spirit to perfect us.
Indeed in Him it is finished...not the Law but its curse.
That Law will be needed at judgement to reveal who obeyed and who did not.
These are they that kept the commandments yah and the testimony of Yahushua.
Pray your flight be not on the Sabbath...although your view is the majority and won't be the persecuted one.
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Second Sabbath law.
The Council of Laodicea of around 365 AD decreed 59 laws, #29:
"Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honoring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ."
Satan was also called "lord," and his day is Sunday.
The Council of Laodicea of around 365 AD decreed 59 laws, #29:
"Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honoring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ."
Satan was also called "lord," and his day is Sunday.
yup Christians put in about 2-3 hours for what was intended as all day.
"Keep the commandments" was the first answer. The rich man persisted with "which ones?"
Perhaps He knew which ones the man struggled with.
But the initial instruction was "keep the commandments."
Are Christians allowed to covet then? Have another God? Make idols? Profane His name?
So it's a numbers game? Remember broad is the path that leads to destruction.
Man's traditions have always been more popular.
Maybe because idolatry was not mentioned...
It is ironic your primacy is Peter as he said,
"We ought to obey God rather than men."
Yes the tense is so telling. If they were done away with he would have said "which were a shadow"
Many use the analogy of the Law as being a tutor which we no longer need, as if somehow we are allowed to go against or change what we are taught.
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Zech 11
9 Then said I, I will not feed you: that that dieth, let it die; and that that is to be cut off, let it be cut off; and let the rest eat every one the flesh of another.
10 And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people. 11 And it was broken in that day: and so the poor of the flock that waited upon me knew that it was the word of the Lord. 12 And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver. 13 And the Lord said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the Lord. 14 Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.
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No they did not. Sunday worship was part of Christianity from the very morning Christ rose from the dead on the first day of the week, which on our calendar is Sunday.
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Sunday was the day of worship for the Lord, because of the resurrection of Christ, long before Constantine was a twinkle in the eye of his father.
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In 1582, Pope Gregory XIII cut 10 days out of the calendar. So your sabbath should be on a Wednesday! You're following the Pope's dates!
Is that what He said?
He revealed Himself that day because it was the Festival of First Fruits and He was well, you know, the first fruit. And that festival was designed by the One who made the Sabbath.
No word from Either that this design sabotaged itself by cancelling its original piece.
The date changed but not the days of the week.
That morning His followers didn't even believe He rose...but were hiding.
The only thing that happened that morning was that the tomb was discovered empty. He was already risen.
Just like His miracles foreshadowed, healing and refreshment does happen on Sabbath.
It was Paul's custom to remember the Sabbath.
Acts 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures.