OZOS
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That's not what it says, you moron, and quote any translation you want.
This was already explained to you in detail, but you're either too stupid or too lazy to comprehend it's simplicity.
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This was already explained to you in detail, but you're either too stupid or too lazy to comprehend it's simplicity.
Jerry Shugart
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OZOS said: "That's not what it says, you moron, and quote any translation you want."
Let us examine what Paul said in this mistranslation:
"So then, as through one offense the result was condemnation to all mankind, so also through one act of righteousness the result was justification of life to all mankind." Rom 5:18
The result of the Lord Jesus' one act of righteousness was justification of life to all mankind.
So if that translation is correct then all people are justified in the eyes of God. Is that what you beleive? It must be because you keep quoting that mistranslation. Is English your second language?
Let us examine what Paul said in this mistranslation:
"So then, as through one offense the result was condemnation to all mankind, so also through one act of righteousness the result was justification of life to all mankind." Rom 5:18
The result of the Lord Jesus' one act of righteousness was justification of life to all mankind.
So if that translation is correct then all people are justified in the eyes of God. Is that what you beleive? It must be because you keep quoting that mistranslation. Is English your second language?
OZOS
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I quoted the NASB, if you think that it is a faulty translation, quote any other translation you want.
ASV "So then as through one trespass the judgment came unto all men to condemnation; even so through one act of righteousness the free gift came unto all men to justification of life."
CSB "So then, as through one trespass there is condemnation for everyone, so also through one righteous act there is justification leading to life for everyone."
ESV "Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men."
KJV "Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."
NIV "Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people."
NKJV "Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life."
RSV "Then as one man’s trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one man’s act of righteousness leads to acquittal and life for all men."
YLT "So, then, as through one offence to all men [it is] to condemnation, so also through one declaration of `Righteous' [it is] to all men to justification of life"
It matters not which version you choose, the answer is the same. The justification of life is to ALL men, because of the cross.
"who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification." NKJV
Shame you hate God's word and continue to mock Christ's once for ALL sacrifice.
Jerry Shugart
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Shame on you for aserting that even unbelievers have recived the free gift of being justified in the eyes of God.
OZOS
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Never said or implied that. Shame on you for rejecting the gospel.
Jerry Shugart
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OZOS, give me your interpretation of what is said in the following translation:
"So then, as through one offense the result was condemnation to all mankind, so also through one act of righteousness the result was justification of life to all mankind." Rom 5:18
"So then, as through one offense the result was condemnation to all mankind, so also through one act of righteousness the result was justification of life to all mankind." Rom 5:18
OZOS
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I have done so dozens of times.
Jerry Shugart
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Of course you have but not on this thread.
OZOS
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You're a lazy troll.
Jerry Shugart
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You area childish name-caller.
OZOS
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Your poor pervert, someone called you a name.
Jerry Shugart
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You are a coward because you refuse to give your interpretation of the following verse which you quote so often:
"So then, as through one offense the result was condemnation to all mankind, so also through one act of righteousness the result was justification of life to all mankind." Rom 5:18
Youprove that you can quote verses but at the same time you prove that you cannot understand what is being said.
"So then, as through one offense the result was condemnation to all mankind, so also through one act of righteousness the result was justification of life to all mankind." Rom 5:18
Youprove that you can quote verses but at the same time you prove that you cannot understand what is being said.
OZOS
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I have given an interpretation of that verse multiple times, you worthless pile of crap, even though a small child can understand it without interpretation, but a demon, like you, cannot. Why do you repeatedly lie to everyone on this site? You know I have quoted and explained the verse multiple times, but YOU are the coward who refuses to admit that you are both wrong and a liar.
Jerry Shugart
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"So then, as through one offense the result was condemnation to all mankind, so also through one act of righteousness the result was justification of life to all mankind." Rom 5:18
If we believe this translation then it is saying that "through one act of righteousness" the result of this act of righeousness was "justification of life to all mankind." So all people are justified.
Will anyone dispute this meaning?
If we believe this translation then it is saying that "through one act of righteousness" the result of this act of righeousness was "justification of life to all mankind." So all people are justified.
Will anyone dispute this meaning?
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Jerry Shugart
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Do you dispute the meaning I gave for Romans 5:18?
OZOS
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Jerry is not a sheep, and it's possible, not human, but he is most definitely "dumb".
Jerry Shugart
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OZOS runs and hides from honest questions and then tries to assassinate the character of those who ask the questions in the hope that some people might actually believe that he actually provided an answer.
OZOS in not a heep the Lord Jesus said:
"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me" (Jn.10;27).
OZOS denies the following words of the Lord Jesus:
"Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life" (Jn.5;24).
The Greek words translated "believes" and "has" are in the present tense which means that when the Lord Jesus walked the earth those who were believing had eternal life right then and there. The Lord Jesus also said that those believing at that time are "crossed from death unto life
According to the Lord Jesus believers were receiving eternal life while he still walked the earth.
But OZOs denies these facts when he said:
"FACT #12 NO ONE received eternal life until AFTER Jesus sent the Holy Spirit.'
According to the Lord Jesus the Holy Spirit would not be sent until the Lord Jesus departed the earth:
"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you" (Jn.16:7).
So according to SOZOS while the Lord Jesus walked the earth no one received eternal life. The Lord Jesus directly contrsdicts OZOS' silly idea.
OZOS in not a heep the Lord Jesus said:
"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me" (Jn.10;27).
OZOS denies the following words of the Lord Jesus:
"Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life" (Jn.5;24).
The Greek words translated "believes" and "has" are in the present tense which means that when the Lord Jesus walked the earth those who were believing had eternal life right then and there. The Lord Jesus also said that those believing at that time are "crossed from death unto life
According to the Lord Jesus believers were receiving eternal life while he still walked the earth.
But OZOs denies these facts when he said:
"FACT #12 NO ONE received eternal life until AFTER Jesus sent the Holy Spirit.'
According to the Lord Jesus the Holy Spirit would not be sent until the Lord Jesus departed the earth:
"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you" (Jn.16:7).
So according to SOZOS while the Lord Jesus walked the earth no one received eternal life. The Lord Jesus directly contrsdicts OZOS' silly idea.
OZOS
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That's a lie, and you are a liar. I answered these question many times, and anyone is free to go back and read the answers.
And, you don't have an honest bone in your body. You are a child of Satan, who lies nearly as much as you.
Nope, I affirm the words of Jesus, and have every single time you've quoted them.
Whosoever hears the the words of Jesus and believes Him who sent Him, has eternal life, will not be judged, and has crossed over from death to life. That is an absolute promise, from Jesus. Just like the following...
"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father."
Once again, Jesus says "He who believes in me" and He affirms what will happen... they will do greater works! When? When He goes to the Father.
So, according to Jerry, Jesus is lying here, because every time Jesus says "He who believes in me" the believer will receive what Jesus said at that very moment.
Here is another example...
"He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.” But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified."
Just as the verse you quoted affirms what happens when someone believes, so does this verse, but Jesus elaborates here, and not in your verse. I'm sure Jesus thinks your an idiot for thinking that He had to add "But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified." every time He said "He who believes in Me".
Thankfully, Jesus made it easy, for false teachers, like you, to be exposed.
The apostle Paul is perfectly clear that ONLY those who have the Spirit dwelling in them, belong to Him. According to the pervert, Jerry, men have eternal life without having the Spirit of God dwelling in them or that they belong to Jesus.
"But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. " Romans 8:9
Jerry calls Jesus and Paul "liars", and claims that someone can have eternal life without the Holy Spirit. He does this, because he knows that he does not have the Holy Spirit, and he falsely claims that he has eternal life.
Either is Paul is lying in this verse, or Jerry is. Anyone who believes in Jesus, knows it's Jerry.
Jerry contradicts himself, and is too stupid to realize it...
I have quoted this same verse to Jerry many times, and he still claims that men can have eternal life without the Holy Spirit, which contradicts what Paul said in Romans 8:9
Jerry is a double-minded buffoon.
He repeatedly says that ONLY the CLV is a correct translation of the Bible, which was devised by one man, a cultist by the name of A.E. Knoch.
Jerry is on this site to recruit followers to his ant-Christ cult. Don't be deceived by him.