Hard to believe anyone could believe that God is outlawed in public schools. It goes back to the same problem; ignorance is the enemy.
Home Schooling vs. Public Schooling
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It's true, despite what you believe.
Right, liberals are the enemy.
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Machka
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Well I'm going to go off the topic that's being discussed and just say what I think.
Public schools are better than homeschooling.
People only homeschool because they want to throw in a Christian view of everything. I mean, what would a good education be without a scripture passage everywhere?
As for pubic schools being evil and what not, I'd have to disagree. Sure there are evil kids there and people are vulgar. And, yes, they do talk about sex. I learned just about EVERYTHING there was to know when I was in 7th grade. And the fanatic Christian kids DO get made fun of. Not to their faces, but behind their backs. At my high school, they were called "Bible-humpers". No, not all the Christians were called that, just the kind that were homeschool type kids. And why weren't they all called that? Because 99% of my high school was Christian!
So, when you put it like that, public schools sound pretty bad, right? Sure they sound bad, but they really aren't. It's better to learn what the real world is like when you're in high school than go to college and be shocked at everything that goes on and that the real world isn't just a bunch of roses and bible passages. The homeschooled kids in my town were so clueless to everything that THEY were ones getting mocked the most. Is it really fair to do that to your kids?
Public schools are better than homeschooling.
People only homeschool because they want to throw in a Christian view of everything. I mean, what would a good education be without a scripture passage everywhere?
As for pubic schools being evil and what not, I'd have to disagree. Sure there are evil kids there and people are vulgar. And, yes, they do talk about sex. I learned just about EVERYTHING there was to know when I was in 7th grade. And the fanatic Christian kids DO get made fun of. Not to their faces, but behind their backs. At my high school, they were called "Bible-humpers". No, not all the Christians were called that, just the kind that were homeschool type kids. And why weren't they all called that? Because 99% of my high school was Christian!
So, when you put it like that, public schools sound pretty bad, right? Sure they sound bad, but they really aren't. It's better to learn what the real world is like when you're in high school than go to college and be shocked at everything that goes on and that the real world isn't just a bunch of roses and bible passages. The homeschooled kids in my town were so clueless to everything that THEY were ones getting mocked the most. Is it really fair to do that to your kids?
Do you know many people who homeschool? I've been homeschooling for 9 years and many, many of the people in my area and in my homeschool group DO NOT homeschool because of religious reasons. Matter of fact, there are several families that are proclaimed atheists that homeschool.
I suggest you don't lump all homeschoolers into one group and make sure you know what you are talking about before posting.
Barbarian observes:
Hard to believe anyone could believe that God is outlawed in public schools.
(and the exception appears)
Whenever a foolproof fact appears, nature just evolves a bigger fool. :chuckle: Fact is, my daughter prayed openly and publicly in public school. No one tried to stop her. She wore Christian symbols and T-shirts with Christian messages. No one tried to stop her.
I told you your momma shouldn't have left you locked in that closet.
Barbarian on Billy Bob's odd ideas:
It goes back to the same problem; ignorance is the enemy.
You do have a few liberal behaviors, don't you?
Hard to believe anyone could believe that God is outlawed in public schools.
(and the exception appears)
Whenever a foolproof fact appears, nature just evolves a bigger fool. :chuckle: Fact is, my daughter prayed openly and publicly in public school. No one tried to stop her. She wore Christian symbols and T-shirts with Christian messages. No one tried to stop her.
I told you your momma shouldn't have left you locked in that closet.
Barbarian on Billy Bob's odd ideas:
It goes back to the same problem; ignorance is the enemy.
You do have a few liberal behaviors, don't you?
This is simply untrue. I have seen people with some of the most solid foundations possible slip into very corrupt behavior because of the company they kept.
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Highly unlikely.
FellowServant said:
That's just it. So many have absolutely no idea whatsoever about homeschooling. They spout off a few things that they imagine to be the case with homeschoolers, thinking so highly of themselves that their uneducated opinion alone must make it true.
The arrogance of some people can simply be astonishing sometimes.
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So true, Poly. There is a whole different side to homeschooling that is totally unrelated to religious beliefs. I have to admit that I was surprised when we started homeschooling almost 10 years ago at all the different reasons people have for homeschooling. At the time, I had a very limited knowledge about it. I have been well educated since! :chuckle:
Or maybe you have confused a solid foundation with someone who has been indoctrinated. Only a few hundred years ago most people thought the sun rotated around the earth because they were taught that. When the evidence became irrefutable, those that had been taught to use good morals but to think for themselves had no problem incorporating that into their value system.
Highly unlikely.
That's just it. So many have absolutely no idea whatsoever about homeschooling. They spout off a few things that they imagine to be the case with homeschoolers, thinking so highly of themselves that their uneducated opinion without any proof makes whatever they say true.
The arrogance of some people can simply be astonishing sometimes.
What killed me as a homeschooled kid was people who would tell my parents, with my siblings and I standing right there, what homeschooling was actually all about. As though my folks needed to get the record set straight...
JoyfulRook
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That is completely irrelevant.
Not by a long shot. In fact it’s an interesting subject. I was raised by very caring parents that believed in a literal interpretation of the Bible, so of course I did also. I never doubted those beliefs and didn’t think anyone else did either until I got into college. There I was subjected to those “corrupting influences” who actually advocated thinking for yourself and coming to your own conclusions based on the evidence. After several years of fairly intense internal struggles, I discovered the only source of revelation was the Holy Spirit, not churches, parents, preachers, Bibles or anything else.
I had a very similar experience with my education. When I got my bachelors degree, I was prepared to design structures under the supervision of an experienced engineer. I knew all the design equations and how to apply them as long as the problem could be solved by an equation. After several years of practice, I went back and got a masters degree where I learned where the equations came from in depth. Then I realized I knew not only how to apply the equations also how to modify them to fit different situations.
That’s a lot like life. You can know all the rules and how to apply them as long as the situation fits some rule. But when the situation gets outside the boundaries of the rules you have learned, you have to have that foundation of beliefs that YOU learned were the truth on your own, not what someone told you was the truth. Too many people are taught a “foundation” of what their parents believe and never obtain that true foundation of what is the truth.
You are irrelevant.
That's got to be one of the more amusing posts you've spat out lately.
Here's Hank, an eloquent, patient, guy and successful father. Hank sounds like a wise fellow with a head on his shoulders and far more experience than you, and all you can do with your presumption and arrogance is freeze mentally.
Seriously, man, stop feeling threatened by people who know more than you. You might actually learn something that way.
Here's Hank, an eloquent, patient, guy and successful father. Hank sounds like a wise fellow with a head on his shoulders and far more experience than you, and all you can do with your presumption and arrogance is freeze mentally.
Seriously, man, stop feeling threatened by people who know more than you. You might actually learn something that way.
Well how can I argue with a steel-trap mind that delivers such a well though out response like yours?
I homeschool three children. ( ages 16, 13 and 8)
I guarantee they are independant thinkers for I must debate with them
regularly the reason for certain decisions I make. My reasoning always
must include some instruction to the affect of , " You may not agree with
my decision but the decision is up to me for now."
you are right that one day they will be exposed to more pressure from the
world than they experience right now but I know it is a good thing to protect
them from it until the time is right for them to face it. Since when did it
become offensive to shield the eyes of an immature person from a harmful
influence? You make it sound like the best way for children to learn to be
safe in the forest is to strap some lunch on thier backs and send them out
amongst the wolves.
I also noticed that the school comparrison you make our then vs now was
using a Los Angeles school system report from 1978? I wonder what results would be found ten years earlier from that same system. If a comparison is to be made to the 'good ole days', it should be of the same area and afurther back generation.
things may have been rough in the seventies but I am sure they were not as violent in the 50's for example. yet this is an irrelevant point since the school system disallows for parents to engineer thier childrens education, and agree or
not parents are responsible for this. We have more than two generations of parents who have grown up un a system which claims they want thier involvement
yet discourages all parental attempts to influence the system to the contrary of ]
the trends.
I was public schooled. My experience was also very bad. I know I am not the minority. My parents expected that I would go to school to be educated. They
did not know that the majority of what I remember learning has more to do with social influence than academic influence. both of my parents are Christian.
of the four of us who attented public school I am the only one who is a Christian
and that came after a long period of rebellion which devastated them both.
I guarantee they are independant thinkers for I must debate with them
regularly the reason for certain decisions I make. My reasoning always
must include some instruction to the affect of , " You may not agree with
my decision but the decision is up to me for now."
you are right that one day they will be exposed to more pressure from the
world than they experience right now but I know it is a good thing to protect
them from it until the time is right for them to face it. Since when did it
become offensive to shield the eyes of an immature person from a harmful
influence? You make it sound like the best way for children to learn to be
safe in the forest is to strap some lunch on thier backs and send them out
amongst the wolves.
I also noticed that the school comparrison you make our then vs now was
using a Los Angeles school system report from 1978? I wonder what results would be found ten years earlier from that same system. If a comparison is to be made to the 'good ole days', it should be of the same area and afurther back generation.
things may have been rough in the seventies but I am sure they were not as violent in the 50's for example. yet this is an irrelevant point since the school system disallows for parents to engineer thier childrens education, and agree or
not parents are responsible for this. We have more than two generations of parents who have grown up un a system which claims they want thier involvement
yet discourages all parental attempts to influence the system to the contrary of ]
the trends.
I was public schooled. My experience was also very bad. I know I am not the minority. My parents expected that I would go to school to be educated. They
did not know that the majority of what I remember learning has more to do with social influence than academic influence. both of my parents are Christian.
of the four of us who attented public school I am the only one who is a Christian
and that came after a long period of rebellion which devastated them both.
In fact, you are the minority. Most people are pretty happy with the way public schools are working.
1. The trend line showing that the public in general gives reasonably high marks to the public schools continues. Those marks go higher when parents do the rating and even higher when parents rate the school their oldest child attends. This year 47% of all respondents give the schools in their community an A or a B; 61% of parents give the schools in their community an A or a B; and 70% of parents give the school attended by their oldest child an A or a B. (See Tables 1 and 3.)
2. It is important to distinguish between the schools in the community and the schools nationally, since the marks vary greatly. It is the latter schools that traditionally receive low grades. Schools nationally receive a total of 26% A's and B's in this year's poll. (See Table 2.)
http://www.pdkintl.org/kappan/k0409pol.htm
Parents think schools are pretty bad some places, but they overwhelmingly like the ones they know about.
Actually, it's precisely the opposite. Today, for various legal reasons, parents have far more input into the way schools are run than was true two generations ago.
1. The trend line showing that the public in general gives reasonably high marks to the public schools continues. Those marks go higher when parents do the rating and even higher when parents rate the school their oldest child attends. This year 47% of all respondents give the schools in their community an A or a B; 61% of parents give the schools in their community an A or a B; and 70% of parents give the school attended by their oldest child an A or a B. (See Tables 1 and 3.)
2. It is important to distinguish between the schools in the community and the schools nationally, since the marks vary greatly. It is the latter schools that traditionally receive low grades. Schools nationally receive a total of 26% A's and B's in this year's poll. (See Table 2.)
http://www.pdkintl.org/kappan/k0409pol.htm
Parents think schools are pretty bad some places, but they overwhelmingly like the ones they know about.
Actually, it's precisely the opposite. Today, for various legal reasons, parents have far more input into the way schools are run than was true two generations ago.
the figures you give do not account for the guilt ratio I would assume affects
the testimony of those parents who give "thier" school high marks.
generally all parents think thier school is pretty good, since they do not compare
thier school to any other actual school of a position they respect. The attitude that "my school" is pretty good is common because of the horror stories which have not come true 'to thier understanding' in thier school.
an example of this would be when children grow up in a society where the poverty
level is high in general and the children are surprisingly happy despite the state that
you or I would admit is very low quality conditions. They dont realize that eating once a day is a small amount of food because on a regular basis they go without completely. To them, a once a day meal is great! My children would be complaining all day!
Also, the popularity of a system is irrelevant to its value. Comunism has also been a popular system and has had extreme effects on every society it has taken over for the negative. Yet , somehow, be it pride or just plain social deception
generally the people in communist societies say they are satisfied to happy with thier government. this only shows that the masses can be brainwashed into beleiving a lie. Come to think of it the public schools are the perfect place for re-education to take place if a government so chose to convert the masses to socialism.
hmmmmmmmmm , I think that could be a problem as well.
you also mentioned grades. I have been told that many public school teacher grade on a curve and teach toward test in order to achieve a higher grade average for thier class. Also, when a straight A student goes to college they must first take tests to show thier actual achievement level since the grade they achieved in the school may not accurately reflect thier understanding very well because of these as well as other factors.
the testimony of those parents who give "thier" school high marks.
generally all parents think thier school is pretty good, since they do not compare
thier school to any other actual school of a position they respect. The attitude that "my school" is pretty good is common because of the horror stories which have not come true 'to thier understanding' in thier school.
an example of this would be when children grow up in a society where the poverty
level is high in general and the children are surprisingly happy despite the state that
you or I would admit is very low quality conditions. They dont realize that eating once a day is a small amount of food because on a regular basis they go without completely. To them, a once a day meal is great! My children would be complaining all day!
Also, the popularity of a system is irrelevant to its value. Comunism has also been a popular system and has had extreme effects on every society it has taken over for the negative. Yet , somehow, be it pride or just plain social deception
generally the people in communist societies say they are satisfied to happy with thier government. this only shows that the masses can be brainwashed into beleiving a lie. Come to think of it the public schools are the perfect place for re-education to take place if a government so chose to convert the masses to socialism.
hmmmmmmmmm , I think that could be a problem as well.
you also mentioned grades. I have been told that many public school teacher grade on a curve and teach toward test in order to achieve a higher grade average for thier class. Also, when a straight A student goes to college they must first take tests to show thier actual achievement level since the grade they achieved in the school may not accurately reflect thier understanding very well because of these as well as other factors.