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If you think that "kept secret since the world began" means found in the old testament scripture.. I cannot help you
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Has the Church Replaced Israel ?
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Yup. In the temptation in the wilderness the devil misapplied OT scripture and Jesus replied with OT scripture to defeat him.
That's right, you can't help me if you can't see the gospel of eternal salvation in the OT like Paul could.
Yeppers.
Every argument those in the NT made were made using OT scriptures.
Over and over we read "search the scriptures" and "it is written" and "as the prophets said", etc.
Paul was masterful at understanding all the typologies in the OT.
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Words have no meaning to you.
Through the gift of the HS. None of us can believe anything in scripture without His help. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned. Paul was brilliant but he didn't understand salvation because of his brains.
Salvation is relational. It is in knowing God on a personal level that saves us. What I've found over the decades is that if we know Him we will love Him because of His goodness, love, and mercy.
On the contrary, she's simply lying.
It isn't that the words, "kept secret since the world began" means, "found in the old testament scripture", nor is it that "kept secret since the world began" means nothing at all. She KNOWS what it means just as clearly as you and I do. It isn't her mind that is broken. If that were the case, she'd have an excuse. She knows full well what those words mean, she simply does not care. She has her doctrine and God Himself couldn't persuade her otherwise because she isn't at all interested in whether or not she's right or wrong. She does not care about that. She believes what she believes and that's the beginning, middle and end of it - period. Any point she can conjure to "support" her belief, no matter how logically flimsy, will trump ANY plainly stated sentence quoted from the Apostle Paul or any other biblical author for that matter. She simply isn't interested in anything the bible says unless it agrees with her doctrine. Her doctrine come first, second, third and last. No argument nor any scripture has to power to move her a single inch if that movement requires even the slightest alteration in her beloved doctrine.
What on Earth she's doing on a debate forum is anyone's guess. Perhaps satisfying a need to feel like she's isn't lying to herself? I don't know and I don't care enough to speculate past one sentence. She's a boring worthless waste of bandwidth along with all the other boring worthless wastes of bandwidth that we haven't run off from this website.
The word "ignore" apparently has no meaning to you.
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I know what ignorant means. Why are you being that?
This is such a friendly forum. That must be why it has so many members.
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We tell the TRUTH.
TRUTH is more important than membership numbers.
Go join a mega-church that lies if you like.
Ok. If you say so. I disagree with your beliefs though so I don't think you teach truth.
This is why your forum is so small. No lovingkindness.
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That's because you are wrong.
Your judgement is simply very poor. You probably think that this is "mean".
| Matt 23:13-33 (AKJV/PCE) (23:13) ¶ But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in [yourselves], neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. (23:14) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. (23:15) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. (23:16) Woe unto you, [ye] blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor! (23:17) [Ye] fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold? (23:18) And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty. (23:19) [Ye] fools and blind: for whether [is] greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift? (23:20) Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon. (23:21) And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein. (23:22) And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon. (23:23) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. (23:24) [Ye] blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. (23:25) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. (23:26) [Thou] blind Pharisee, cleanse first that [which is] within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. (23:27) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead [men's] bones, and of all uncleanness. (23:28) Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. (23:29) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, (23:30) And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. (23:31) Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. (23:32) Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. (23:33) [Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? |
They like to imitate Calvin.
If you don't agree with all they say then you must not be shown any mercy by them.
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You're so persecuted and a liar.
Saying so doesn't make it true.
hahahaha!
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False accusations are very unbecoming.
Nope. Jesus knows people's hearts. He knows their thoughts. You and I know nothing of the like.
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Duh... where did I claim to "knows people's hearts ... know their thoughts"?
Again, your judgments are terrible. That's why you're an SDA.