Granite said:
I've read Turbo's justification for rapists wedding their victims;
But you insist on saying things like the above? Since you claim to have read it, that must mean you just choose to ignore it.
I've also read other theonomists tackle this issue as well. Personally I think it's some of the worst, sickening transference I've ever encountered. This is the logical extension of grotesque and twisted thinking: when a woman raped is forced to marry her attacker, we are absolutely living in the twilight zone.
granite, when you persist in perpetuating an error, it forces me to see your intention. It's not to crusade for a just cause, it's to try berating the Bible. Even if it means ignoring the truth.
Looking at Deuteronomy 22:28
“If a man finds a young woman who is a virgin, who is not betrothed, and he seizes her and lies with her, and they are found out,"
According to my Hebrew word study, "lay hold" or "seizes" ( taphas ) means "to manipulate".
So there we have it, once again your error is corrected, and I have no doubt you will persist in your willful ignorance on the matter.
And a girl seduced who has to marry her seducer is almost equally bad.
Right, that might put a crimp in the porn industry. I guess we shouldn't consider the virtue of the woman or her future or any children that might come from such a union.
In regards to unmarried adults having sex...
It's not a straw man argument, Nin, because it is absolutely true. You and others in the self-annointed moral majority need to deal with this. (You guys also need to get over your sexual prudery but, hey. I'm not gonna hope for too much.)
God lays out that sex is for marriage. It's very simple. You have to
try to miss that point.
Morality has changed and we can see that because man IS limited today, as opposed to, say, fifty years ago. Wife beating, segregation, and racism are all fortunately on the decline. Such things were normative in this nation for far too long. They are not tolerated, by and large, today. When did the limits change? Why? Why can't we go as far as we used to, and why is some behavior no longer tolerated today? Why is some behavior tolerated and encouraged?
Beating a wife, segragation and racism have never been moral to begin with. It took a man to promote these ideas.
According to the Bible we all come from the same parents. Not just once from Adam and Eve, but twice over from Noah.
Morality shifts in every culture throughout human history.
Morality does not change. Men tend toward evil. You gave a list of men's bad ideas we are finally getting past. Here are a few we have torn down the barrier on: homosexuality, pornography, fornication, and adultry. I will even go so far as to say pedophilia is being torn down in our generation by sexualizing children.