Good Friday?
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Now before the Feast of the Passover, when Jesus knew that His hour had come that He should depart from this world to the Father, having loved His own who were in the world, He loved them to the end. (John 13:1 NKJV)
The word before means prior to the Feast of Passover which began the 14th at night, i.e. the beginning of the 15th.
The Passover was eaten the night after it was killed. Are you saying the it was killed the afternoon of the 13th?
Yes.
No. You imposed those words into the text.
The word translated 'the preparation day' in places other than Mk 14:12 is 'paraskeue'.
Yes. That's correct.
'hetoimazo' is used in every place to describe the preparing of the Passover meal.....not 'paraskeue'.
No.
Mar 15:42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation[paraskeue], that is, the day before the sabbath,
Then they led Jesus from Caiaphas to the Praetorium, and it was early morning. But they themselves did not go into the Praetorium, lest they should be defiled, but that they might eat the Passover. (John 18:28 NKJV)
This would have on the 14th, the preparation day, since the Passover was eaten that night which began the 15th.
The preparation day for the Feast of Passover can be any day of the week, not necessarily Friday.
Yes to all of that, but even though the 14th can occur on any day of the week, in that year the 14th occured on the day before 'the preparation/paraskeue'.
'The Preparation/paraskeue' is not mentioned in Mk 14:12.
'Hetoimazo' is the word used in that verse and it is never translated 'the preparation' or 'the preparation day'.
Mk 14:12 does not disprove what you say.
You are conflating the terms 'hetoimazo' and 'paraskeue'.
They are not used interchangeably in the text.
Mar 15:42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation[paraskeue], that is, the day before the sabbath,
Do we reject Mark 14:12 because it does not say paraskeue?
Do you agree that the preparing of the Passover meal can occur on any day of the week?
Why do you claim that was the weekly Sabbath since Mark 16:1 says that after the Sabbath the women bought spices to anoint the body?
I don't reject Mark 14:12 at all.
I take it just like it says.
To me, it says, 'on the first day of the week-long feast of unleavened bread[the 14th], which is the day on which the Passover lambs were killed, the disciples asked the Lord, "Where do you want us to go and make preparations[hetoimazo] so that you can eat the Passover?"
Do you see anything in my paraphrase which is out of line with what it says?
Mar 14:12 And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?
Yes, I've already said as much.
Mark says that 'the preparation/paraskue' means 'the day before the Sabbath'. I believe him. And, when I take him at his word and apply his definition in every place that the term is used, it all falls into place.
Mark says this:
Mar 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
Mar 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.
I take this to mean, "when the seventh day sabbath was over, the people had bought spices to anoint the body and proceeded to the tomb to do so". It's not complicated.
jamie,
re: "The Passover was eaten the night after it was killed. Are you saying the it was killed the afternoon of the 13th?"
No. Exodus 12 says it was to be killed at twilight on the 14th. Websters New World Dictionary says that twilight is the period from sunset to dark which would be the beginning of the 14th.
re: "The Passover was eaten the night after it was killed. Are you saying the it was killed the afternoon of the 13th?"
No. Exodus 12 says it was to be killed at twilight on the 14th. Websters New World Dictionary says that twilight is the period from sunset to dark which would be the beginning of the 14th.
Did you know "had" is not in the Greek text according to the interlinear, it was added by the KJV translators evidently to support their theory of a Friday crucifixion.
Modern translations just say bought, not had bought. Are you KJV only?
Did Jesus die between sunset and dark? Or did he die the evening of the 14th?
The evening sacrifice was around the ninth hour (3 PM) each day.
What year did this happen?
...and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace (Ephesians 6:15 NKJV)
What word is used for "the preparation" in this verse?
Yes, I knew that.
I don't think that the KJV translators ever questioned the crucifixion timeline or ever had to argue for it. A Friday crucifixion has been the accepted day since the first century.
In Greece today, the word for Friday is 'Paraskeve' and has been understood as the sixth day since the crucifixion event.
The argument for a 72 hour period is fairly recent and results is Christ rising on the 4th day rather than the third, which the text references again and again.
No, I am not a KJVO.
I compare most of the translations available and often use the original language texts.
achduke
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Strongs Hebrew, 6153, ereb, has it as "Evening" for Exodus 12. This is the same word used in Genesis 1:5.
How do you figure that?
Jesus was buried as Thursday began and was raised as Sunday began.
Friday, Saturday, Sunday is three days.
You've referenced the Naval Observatory charts several times before.
I'll leave it up to you. You tell me.
hetoimasia
But Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday is four days.
If Christ was buried as Thursday began, as you say, then Christ would have risen on Sunday the fourth day.
If the chief priests and rulers of Israel delivered Him to be condemned to death and crucified Him on Thursday, then Cleopas and his companion, on the evening of the first day of the week would have said, "and beside all this, today is the fourth day since those things happened".
But, they didn't. They said, "today is the third day since those things happened".
Thursday- crucifixion
Friday
Saturday
Sunday- fourth day since it happened(crucifixion)
Friday- crucifixion
Saturday
Sunday- third day since it happened(crucifixion)
Steko is right, all others are wrong.