God's 7000 year plan.

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daqq

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WatchmanOnTheWall said:
No need to show any angst over this. Every Christian's theology is different to the next. As I said we have discussed most of this before if you remember, that is why I know neither of us will be moved on this issue. Other issues are still up for grabs, such as Hebrews 9:4 (Thanks again for that one). It takes time and study to change beliefs but I reckon you'll take about 4 years to change your mind on much of the above. :) Shalom brother.
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Nope, no angst, (and please stop the false insinuations), and nope, Meshiah is already here: you can wait four years if you want but you are not going to get what you are expecting because you do not understand the Testimony of the Messiah, (and at this point, even if you did, you would likely not believe it anyway).
 
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jamie said:
The full moon was on Thursday, a Sabbath.

The women bought and prepared their spices on Friday and rested on the weekly Sabbath.
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The Sabbath was on the 15th (as always), which by coincidence was a Friday to Saturday Sabbath on the Gregorian calendar. Not that any of the Jews had any idea how that Roman calendar worked, or even had heard of the pagan names of Friday or Saturday either.
 
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daqq said:
Nope, no angst, (and please stop the false insinuations), and nope, Meshiah is already here: you can wait four years if you want but you are not going to get what you are expecting because you do not understand the Testimony of the Messiah, (and at this point, even if you did, you would likely not believe it anyway).
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Jesus being here spiritually is very different to when he will be here physically. Which we will have to wait nearly 12 years for.
 
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WatchmanOnTheWall said:
No Christ was betrayed in the early hours on the morning of the 14th whilst still dark and killed later that same day in 30AD:
http://torahcalendar.com/Calendar.asp?YM=Y30M1
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Christ ate the Passover with His disciples at GOD's appointed time for all Israel.
The lambs were killed on the afternoon of the 14th as His disciple prepared the Passover meal.
They sat down together and ate it after sundown which began the 15th.
That same night, He was betrayed under the full moon, which according to western day/night reckoning was Thursday night, April 6, AD 30. And would have been the night beginning of Nisan 15 according to Jewish reckoning. Christ stood before Pilate in the morning, which would be Nisan 15 according to Jewish, and Friday, April 7 according to western.
It was the 15th, the Preparation for the weekly Sabbath, the first day of Unleavened Bread and the day of the Chagigah, the festive offering, a day in which all males must maintain ceremonial purity in order to participate.
 
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WatchmanOnTheWall said:
The Sabbath was on the 15th (as always), which by coincidence was a Friday to Saturday Sabbath on the Gregorian calendar.
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"And the women who had come with Him from Galilee followed after and they observed the tomb and how His body was laid. Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment." (Luke 23:55)
 
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steko said:
Christ ate the Passover with His disciples at GOD's appointed time for all Israel.
The lambs were killed on the afternoon of the 14th as His disciple prepared the Passover meal.
They sat down together and ate it after sundown which began the 15th.
That same night, He was betrayed under the full moon, which according to western day/night reckoning was Thursday night, April 6, AD 30. And would have been the night beginning of Nisan 15 according to Jewish reckoning. Christ stood before Pilate in the morning, which would be Nisan 15 according to Jewish, and Friday, April 7 according to western.
It was the 15th, the Preparation for the weekly Sabbath, the first day of Unleavened Bread and the day of the Chagigah, the festive offering, a day in which all males must maintain ceremonial purity in order to participate.
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Luke 23
54 It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.55 The women who had come with Jesus from Galilee followed Joseph and saw the tomb and how his body was laid in it. 56Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.

Matthew 28:1
After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.

14th Jesus was crucified
15th The Sabbath
16th Jesus rose from the dead on the day of first friuts

The 15th is always a Sabbath:
http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?127270-When-is-the-Sabbath&highlight=

The last supper in not the Passover meal it is the feast of Esther: http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?123680-Jesus-Fasted-The-Fast-Of-Esther&highlight=

And: http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...3-nights-in-the-Heart-of-the-Earth&highlight=
 
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jamie said:
"And the women who had come with Him from Galilee followed after and they observed the tomb and how His body was laid. Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment." (Luke 23:55)
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Luke 23
54 It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.55 The women who had come with Jesus from Galilee followed Joseph and saw the tomb and how his body was laid in it. 56Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.

Matthew 28:1
After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.

14th Jesus was crucified
15th The Sabbath
16th Jesus rose from the dead on the day of first friuts

The 15th is always a Sabbath:
http://theologyonline.com/showthread...ath&highlight=

The last supper in not the Passover meal it is the feast of Esther: http://theologyonline.com/showthread...her&highlight=

And: http://theologyonline.com/showthread...rth&highlight=
 
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jamie said:
The phrase "was about to begin" is translated from epiphosko.

Epiphosko is translated dawn in Matthew 28:1.

The annual Sabbath began as Jesus was laid in the tomb.
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The Sabbath is always on the 7th day. The only annual Sabbaths are on the Day of Trumpets on Day 1 Month 7 and The Day of Atonement Day 10 Month 7:

Leviticus 23:23-25
23 The LORD said to Moses, 24 “Say to the Israelites: ‘On the first day of the seventh month you are to have a day of Sabbath rest, a sacred assembly commemorated with trumpet blasts. 25 Do no regular work, but present a food offering to the LORD.’ ”

Leviticus 23:26-32
26 The LORD said to Moses, 27 The tenth day of this seventh month is the Day of Atonement. Hold a sacred assembly and deny yourselves, and present a food offering to the LORD. 28 Do not do any work on that day, because it is the Day of Atonement, when atonement is made for you before the LORD your God. 29 For whoever is not afflicted on that very day shall be cut off from his people. 30 And whoever does any work on that very day, that person I will destroy from among his people. 31 You shall not do any work. It is a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwelling places. 32 It shall be to you a Sabbath of solemn rest, and you shall afflict yourselves. On the ninth day of the month beginning at evening, from evening to evening shall you keep your Sabbath.

There are no annual Sabbath at Passover.
 
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WatchmanOnTheWall said:
The Sabbath is always on the 7th day. The only annual Sabbaths are on the Day of Trumpets on Day 1 Month 7 and The Day of Atonement Day 10 Month 7:
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The weekly Sabbath is on the 7th day, the other seven have their own designated days.
 
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Calling the weekly Sabbath is a misnomer. There are only 2 Sabbaths that are not on the 7th day, not 6.
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The eight Sabbaths:

Weekly Sabbath (Leviticus 23:3)
Unleavened Bread (Leviticus 23:7-8)
Unleavened Bread (Leviticus 23:8)
Feast of Weeks (Leviticus 23:21)
Trumpets (Leviticus 23:24)
Atonement (Leviticus 23:27)
Tabernacles (Leviticus 23:34-35)
Eighth Day (Leviticus 23:36)

The Passover is observed on the first day of Unleavened Bread.
 
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[MENTION=12045]jamie[/MENTION]

A Holy Convocation is not a Sabbath.

And

God's command to; "do no customary work on it" is also not a command to call it a Sabbath.

You have read into some of those texts the word Sabbath when it is not there!:

Weekly Sabbath (Leviticus 23:3) - Yes, these are on days 8, 15, 22 & 29 each lunar month.

Unleavened Bread (Leviticus 23:7-8) - Yes, but only because it is day 15 (it does not say Sabbath in those verses)

Unleavened Bread (Leviticus 23:8) - No, there is no mention of it being a Sabbath.

Feast of Weeks (Leviticus 23:21) - No there is no mention of it being a Sabbath.

Trumpets (Leviticus 23:24) - Yes, day 1 month 7.

Atonement (Leviticus 23:27) - Yes, day 10 month 7.

Tabernacles (Leviticus 23:34-35) - Yes but only because it is day 15 (it does not say Sabbath in those verses)

Eighth Day (Leviticus 23:36) - Yes but only because it is day 22 (it does not say Sabbath in those verses)

Notice:

Lev 23
38These offerings are in addition to those for the Lord’s Sabbaths and in addition to your gifts and whatever you have vowed and all the freewill offerings you give to the Lord.)

You will notice that only Trumpets and The Day of Atonement are stated by God as being called Sabbaths:

Leviticus 23:23-25
23 The LORD said to Moses, 24 “Say to the Israelites: ‘On the first day of the seventh month you are to have a day of Sabbath rest, a sacred assembly commemorated with trumpet blasts. 25 Do no regular work, but present a food offering to the LORD.’ ”

Leviticus 23:26-32
26 The LORD said to Moses, 27 The tenth day of this seventh month is the Day of Atonement. Hold a sacred assembly and deny yourselves, and present a food offering to the LORD. 28 Do not do any work on that day, because it is the Day of Atonement, when atonement is made for you before the LORD your God. 29 For whoever is not afflicted on that very day shall be cut off from his people. 30 And whoever does any work on that very day, that person I will destroy from among his people. 31 You shall not do any work. It is a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwelling places. 32 It shall be to you a Sabbath of solemn rest, and you shall afflict yourselves. On the ninth day of the month beginning at evening, from evening to evening shall you keep your Sabbath.

The weekly Sabbath was calculated 7 days after New Moon Day:
Day 1 New Moon Day
Day 8 Sabbath
Day 15 Sabbath
Day 22 Sabbath
Day 29 Sabbath
 
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jamie said:
Nisan 16 is not a Sabbath.
Sivan 6 is not a Sabbath.
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Correct on both.

Nissan (Aviv) 16 is the day of first fruits when the first grain of Barley harvest was offered to God in the temple and was the day our Lord resurrected and ascended to God as the first fruits offering of the harvest of mankind's souls.

This is why the lunar month of Aviv (meaning; Spring, fresh, new, life etc) can not begin till the barley is ripe, or going to be ripe by day 16.
 
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