ECT God never predestines anyone to hell.

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Acts 10

34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

John 3

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Speaks volumes!

 

[WonderfulLordJesus]

Speaks volumes!

Amen! The Word of God speaks most clearly: there are no real issues, in most things.

1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

1 Timothy 6

3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

The real problem?

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Acts 28

25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

 

[beloved57]

Acts 10

34Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

John 3

14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Do you believe and understand those verses you quoted ?

 

[beloved57]

Exactly! Therefore, He never arbitrarilly decrees who gets saved and who doesn't, does He? He never decrees when there is hope for that one. His decree in this is, time.

There's no Hope for the Vessels of Wrath ! They are being fitted for destruction ! Rom 9:22 !

 

[Puppet]

You must mean "mercy".

God is not a free agent as you have Him to be but One bound by His own self-imposed "Attributes" etched in stone for our understanding of Him. Why not name and explain them to see your error?

The will of the potter has absolute will over his pots

 

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The will of the potter has absolute will over his pots

And in doing so He WILL NOT ever violate Himself. Do even know what means?

 

[Cross Reference]

Amen! The Word of God speaks most clearly: there are no real issues, in most things.

1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

1 Timothy 6

3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

The real problem?

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Acts 28

25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Ditto my Amen to it all!

 

[Nanja]

The will of the potter has absolute will over his pots

Yes, He does!

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[Puppet]

Yes, He does!

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His decree of Election must be absolute

 

[Cross Reference]

His decree of Election must be absolute

There is no decree of election. There is but God's selection of them.

 

[Puppet]

There is no decree of election. There is but God's selection of them.

The decree of Election stands upon an unchangeable foundation

 

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The decree of Election stands upon an unchangeable foundation

Unchangeable? Yes, which only proves my point __ The only decree by God is to reprobation. An irreversible action by God. Everything else with regards to any relationship He has with man is by man's first believing on Him. For that understanding review Abraham's life.

 

[serpentdove]

We choose, God doesn't choose for us!

Just show the scripture, that will suffice[.]

Our choices matter.

"[Choice, choose] ...Kind of: God and the Devil (Gen. 3:1–11), Life and death (Deut. 30:19, 20), God and idols (Josh. 24:15–28), Obedience and disobedience (1 Sam. 15:1–35), God and Baal (1 Kin. 18:21–40), Wisdom and folly (Prov. 8:1–21), Obedience and sin (2 Pet. 2:4), Christ and antichrist (1 John 2:18, 19). Factors determining choice, man’s: First choice (Rom. 5:12), Depraved nature (John 3:19–21), Spiritual deadness (Eph. 4:17–19), Blindness (John 9:39–41), Inability (Rom. 8:7, 8). Bad choice made by: Disobeying God (Num. 14:1–45), Putting the flesh first (Gen. 25:29–34), Following a false prophet (Matt. 24:11, 24), Letting the world overcome (Matt. 19:16–22), Rejecting God’s promises (Acts 13:44–48). Good choice made by: Using God’s Word (Ps. 119:9–11), Believing God (Heb. 11:24–27), Obedience (Acts 26:19–23), Prayer (Eph. 1:16–19), Faith (Heb. 11:8–10)." Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996). Nelson’s quick reference topical Bible index (p. 134). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers.

 

[OCTOBER23]

NO HUMAN IS TORMENTED ETERNALLY.
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LAZARUS HAD FREEDOM TO ASK ABRAHAM FOR A DRINK OF WATER ANY TIME.
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LAZARUS WAS JUST BUILDING LONG SUFFERING CHARACTER

BECAUSE MANY RICH PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE ANY PATIENCE.
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[patrick jane]

Our choices matter.

"[Choice, choose] ...Kind of: God and the Devil (Gen. 3:1–11), Life and death (Deut. 30:19, 20), God and idols (Josh. 24:15–28), Obedience and disobedience (1 Sam. 15:1–35), God and Baal (1 Kin. 18:21–40), Wisdom and folly (Prov. 8:1–21), Obedience and sin (2 Pet. 2:4), Christ and antichrist (1 John 2:18, 19). Factors determining choice, man’s: First choice (Rom. 5:12), Depraved nature (John 3:19–21), Spiritual deadness (Eph. 4:17–19), Blindness (John 9:39–41), Inability (Rom. 8:7, 8). Bad choice made by: Disobeying God (Num. 14:1–45), Putting the flesh first (Gen. 25:29–34), Following a false prophet (Matt. 24:11, 24), Letting the world overcome (Matt. 19:16–22), Rejecting God’s promises (Acts 13:44–48). Good choice made by: Using God’s Word (Ps. 119:9–11), Believing God (Heb. 11:24–27), Obedience (Acts 26:19–23), Prayer (Eph. 1:16–19), Faith (Heb. 11:8–10)." Thomas Nelson Publishers. (1996). Nelson’s quick reference topical Bible index (p. 134). Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers.

choices

 

[Cross Reference]

NO HUMAN IS TORMENTED ETERNALLY.
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LAZARUS HAD FREEDOM TO ASK ABRAHAM FOR A DRINK OF WATER ANY TIME.
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LAZARUS WAS JUST BUILDING LONG SUFFERING CHARACTER

BECAUSE MANY RICH PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE ANY PATIENCE.
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Neither father Abraham nor Lazarus was in hell. The place of "torment".

 

[Cross Reference]

The decree of Election stands upon an unchangeable foundation

Which is what?

 

[serpentdove]

choices

Ez 8:22

"...You Are Not Free to Choose the Consequences of Your Choice...Let me illustrate. Stand beside an open window on the tenth floor of a building. You’re free to jump. Now, that’s a foolish thing to do, but if nobody is there to restrain you, you can choose to do so. Stay in the room or jump out. Now, if you decide to jump, then you must be ready to face the consequences of that choice." It Is Decision That Determines Destiny