#1 evidence is God's Word. The wold around us is the supporting evidence.
The Holy Bible uses the word YOM........#3117 יוֹם yowm {yome} from an unused root meaning to be hot;
1) day, time, year 1b1) as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1. 1b2)
as a division of time
1b2a) a working day, a day's journey
1c) days,
lifetime (pl.)
1d) time,
period (general)
1e) year
yom (398a); a prim. root; day:—
NASB - afternoon*(1),
age(8),
age*(1),
all(1), always*(14), amount*(2), battle(1), birthday*(1),
Chronicles*(38),
completely*(1),
continually*(14), course*(1), daily(22), daily the days(1), day(1115), day of the days(1), day that the period(1), day's(6), day's every day(1), daylight*(1), days(635), days on the day(1), days to day(1), days you shall daily(1), days ago(1), days'(11), each(1), each day(4),
entire(2),
eternity(1), evening*(1), ever in your life*(1), every day(2), fate(1), first(5), forever*(11), forevermore*(1),
full(5), full year(1), future*(1), holiday*(3), later*(2),
length(1),
life(12), life*(1), lifetime(2), lifetime*(1), live(1), long(2), long as i live(1), long*(11), midday*(1), now(5), older*(1), once(2), period(3), perpetually*(2), present(1), recently(1), reigns(1), ripe*(1), short-lived*(1),
so long*(1),
some time(1), survived*(2),
time(45),
time*(1), times*(2), today(172), today*(1), usual(1),
very old*(1), when(10), when the days(1), whenever(1), while(3),
whole(2), year(10), yearly(5),
years(13), yesterday*(1).
AV - day 2008,
time 64, chronicles + H1697 37, daily 32,
ever 17,
year 14,
continually 10, when 10, as 10, while 8,
full 8
always 4,
whole 4,
alway 4, misc 44; 2274
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Pretty clear to me that the Holy Word of God which you all say makes it VERY CLEAR, the facts are, YOM or YOWM can be many things, and since we know the universe is 13.7 Billion years old, we should understand that the word YOM must not mean a 24 hour day, especially since the sun was not created for the first 9 billion years the universe existed. We see many interpretations that would match above an interpretation of a LONG PERIOD OF TIME !! I highlighted some. So you saying God says its a 24 hour day, is just not a fact, the Holy Word says YOM. Which has many meanings.
God tells us He created light before He created the atmosphere.
This is TRUE because the first stars started forming at the 400 Million year mark, but the Sun was created on the Second Day, thus before the Grasses and Trees came forth.
Not a problem for the God of the Bible. He tells us He created the sun on the 4th day.
No he does not say He created the Sun on the 4th Day, people just misconceive what God's Holy Word says, and please explain why God would create a world in 6 Days which would take breaking ALL THE LAWS OF NATURE, just to hurry the process up ? There is no time with God, as soon as He commands something, its Done !! He lives in the past, present and Future at all times. So please, please explain why God would change the laws of Nature just to "HURRY UP THE PROCESS" when God is not subject to time, He commands it, and it is finished as soon as He commands it. It makes absolutely no sense that God would get in a HURRY TO FINISH His creation, God Created the Universe in 6 YOMS (Time Periods) and has now CEASED from Creating, even though Stars are still forming, because the stars that come into existence now, were commanded to come into existence on the First Day. So in essence, we need to say the Earth and the Sun were created on the First Day but came forth on the Second Day, thus Gods point of Emphasis changed from DAY ONE to DAY TWO after the Earth and Sun came forth. It says the Earth was without form and VOID which means non existence yet.
That's what you say... Lets see what God says...Gen. 1:16 "God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars."
Lets look at the full passage in depth instead of just one verse taken out of context.
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to
divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs,
and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.16 And
God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he
made the stars also. 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19 And the
evening and the morning were the fourth day.
The way thing are told today has nothing to do with the way things were written and told 4000 - 5000 years ago etc. etc. Just like Genesis 2 is only an enhanced, retelling of the Creation of Man, in much further depth, and just like Rev. 17 and 18 is only a retelling of events that have already happened between Rev. 6 and 16, this telling of the way we got our lights has nothing to do with when the Stars were created or the Earth, Moon and Sun, it is about when God divided the Light from the Dark, in other words the Moon has to be in just the proper place, else we would have a WEIRD WOBBLE to our planet, and there would be no consistent sunrise and sunset, just like some places today is light all summer, if the Axis was not where it is at then the weather would be much more violent in many cases, and there would be parts of the earth with hardly no sunlight, maybe 2 or 3 hours a day etc. etc. Might want to look that up, I have studied it in depth. This is what God or His Holy Word was referring to, HE SET THE SEASONS....Just what the very first Verse in this passage IMPLIES. He divided the Days from the Nights and created the SEASONS !!
The moon was much closer then, and each day was only 6 Hours long. When the Dinos lived each day was 21 Hours long. As a matter of fact I can prove my point by quoting a science article on National Post by Joseph Brean called
Earth's Bad Day: A collision 4.5 Billion years ago nearly destroyed our planet.
“It would have been a very, very bad day for the Earth,” said Sujoy Mukhopadhyay, associate professor in the Earth and Planetary sciences Department at Harvard University. “One potential outcome could have been complete destruction.”
It came close. The cataclysmic meeting of the proto-Earth and the smaller, Mars-sized planet Theia — known as the Big Splash — set the
Earth spinning faster than ever, tilted its axis by 23 degrees, and created the moon from the debris that was blasted into orbit.
Instead of planetary destruction, however, all these calamities were crucial to the eventual formation of the Earth’s protective atmosphere, the cycles of the seasons, the preservation of the polar ice caps, the movement of the moon-driven tides and the emergence of life.
“Subsequent to that bad day, it was a good thing,” Prof. Mukhopadhyay said.
So as you can see, the FOURTH DAY Brought forth the Seasons, I am CONVINCED this was brought about by the MOON and the EARTH'S Collision.
God is not still creating Gen. 2:2 "By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work."
You misunderstood my point...Even though there are STILL STARS FORMING, God gave the command to create the Universe on the very First Day. The Command was the Creation point, the Creation is still coming to pass because of the Command. Stars are still being formed, you can not deny that.
That is a common argument but PEW research showed your argument was false. About 10 years ago PEW interviewed thousands of young adults who grew up in Christian homes, but had drifted from faith. There was multiple reasons, but one of the major reasons was they had mostly grown up in homes where they were taught that the Bibles historical accounts were not necessarily true. This caused them to have doubts throughout scripture. For example, why believe in the virgin birth since science shows you need two to tango.
PEW also interviewed young adults who were strong in the faith, finding this group for the most part grew up in homes (and churches) where there was good apologetic teaching. BTW.... apologetic teaching starts from the time kids are very young with questions such as "Why did God let my dog die?" and "How come God isn't making Gramma get better?"
To me that's gobbledegook, the reason they fall away from the faith is they believe the lies of the professors over their parents, but in many cases it is because their parents just are not good examples of "Christians" I would surmise.
Good discussion. I have researched this in depth, so as a Christian I have put in due diligence on this subject, because I WAS CURIOUS about this subject matter.
