Freewill religion is the Man of Sin !

beloved57

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He doeth according to His Will, not mine !

He doeth according to His Will, not mine !

Dan 4:35

35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

The god of arminiansm and freewillism does according to mans will ! However the God of the Bible, the One the Saints of God know and Worship does according to His Will, We Praise Him as the Sovereign God and Lord Ps 115:3

3 But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.

Now if these things be True "He doeth according to His Will " then why is it that so many who say they are Believers in the One True God, which is whom our above texts refer to, why is it that they believe and teach that all for whom He desires to be saved and come into the knowledge of the Truth as stated in 1 Tim 2:4, that not all of them shall be saved and come into the knowledge of the Truth ? For the word Will in Dan 4:35

35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

Its the Hebrew word tseba:

wished,to be inclined, desire, be pleased

And so Dan 4:35 can read:

35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his desire,wish in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

It plainly states that He does or performs what He desires among the inhabitants of the earth, that means among men without hindrance !

But yet if we believe and teach that He fails to perform that which He wishes and desires of all men He desires it for, then His desire is hindered, His Hand is stayed. See 1 Tim 2:4

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth

The word will here the greek word theló it means the same as the Heb word tsbea did :

I will, wish, desire, am willing, intend, design.

This is a serious problem and contradiction if indeed God does not do according to His Desire and or wish according to Dan 4:35 !

Those of you who Teach and Believe that according to Gods desire in 1 Tim 2:4 , that all without exception He desires it for, will not be saved and come into the Knowledge of the Truth, you are guilty of a serious contradiction in the integrity of Gods Word, and it appears you give a mans will preeminence over Gods !
 

Nanja

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Dan 4:35

35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

The god of arminiansm and freewillism does according to mans will ! However the God of the Bible, the One the Saints of God know and Worship does according to His Will, We Praise Him as the Sovereign God and Lord[/YELLOW] [/YELLOW]Ps 115:3

3 But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.

Now if these things be True "He doeth according to His Will " then why is it that so many who say they are Believers in the One True God, which is whom our above texts refer to, why is it that they believe and teach that all for whom He desires to be saved and come into the knowledge of the Truth as stated in 1 Tim 2:4, that not all of them shall be saved and come into the knowledge of the Truth ? For the word Will in Dan 4:35

35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

Its the Hebrew word tseba:

wished,to be inclined, desire, be pleased

And so Dan 4:35 can read:

35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his desire,wish in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

It plainly states that He does or performs what He desires among the inhabitants of the earth, that means among men without hindrance !

But yet if we believe and teach that He fails to perform that which He wishes and desires of all men He desires it for, then His desire is hindered, His Hand is stayed. See 1 Tim 2:4

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth

The word will here the greek word theló it means the same as the Heb word tsbea did :

I will, wish, desire, am willing, intend, design.

This is a serious problem and contradiction if indeed God does not do according to His Desire and or wish according to Dan 4:35 !

Those of you who Teach and Believe that according to Gods desire in 1 Tim 2:4 , that all without exception He desires it for, will not be saved and come into the Knowledge of the Truth, you are guilty of a serious contradiction in the integrity of Gods Word, and it appears you give a mans will preeminence over Gods !


You have precisely exposed the error and deception of the false god of freewill religion.
And they who promote it, have no understanding of the God of the Bible, but the god
of their own darkened understanding
Eph. 4:18.

And we know that the "all men" of 1 Tim. 2:4 whom our God and Saviour 1 Tim. 2:3 Wills to be Saved,
cannot mean all men without exception, as freewill religion argues, because scriptures reveal that there are
those whom the devil sowed into the world Mat. 13:39; men ordained to be condemned Jude 1:4,
and the wicked He made for the day of evil Prov. 16:4. So the "all men" of 1 Tim. 2:4 that God Wills to be Saved,
can only be All of the Election of Grace, Christ's Sheep, from every nation / ethnicity of mankind Rev. 5:9,
whom God has Saved according to His own Purpose and Grace before the foundation of the World 2 Tim. 1:9.

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beloved57

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You have precisely exposed the error and deception of the false god of freewill religion.
And they who promote it, have no understanding of the God of the Bible, but the god
of their own darkened understanding
Eph. 4:18.

And we know that the "all men" of 1 Tim. 2:4 whom our God and Saviour 1 Tim. 2:3 Wills to be Saved,
cannot mean all men without exception, as freewill religion argues, because scriptures reveal that there are
those whom the devil sowed into the world Mat. 13:39; men ordained to be condemned Jude 1:4,
and the wicked He made for the day of evil Prov. 16:4. So the "all men" of 1 Tim. 2:4 that God Wills to be Saved,
can only be All of the Election of Grace, Christ's Sheep, from every nation / ethnicity of mankind Rev. 5:9,
whom God has Saved according to His own Purpose and Grace before the foundation of the World 2 Tim. 1:9.

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Absolutely!
 

beloved57

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Who are the All Here Christ was delivered up for ?

Who are the All Here Christ was delivered up for ?

Rom 8:28-33

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Who does Paul mean here by the word all in Vs 32, as it pertains to whom all Christ was delivered up for, which means died for !

All false teachers say it means all without exception, that Christ died for all men without exception, but that is a Lie, and this passage actually proves it.

This context proves that the all here are Limited to believers, as Paul said that He was delivered up for US [Believers] All ! Paul includes Himself in this All as a Believer in Christ !

But its more, the All pertains to in Vs 28 , The All them that Loved God Rom 8:28

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

#2 The All applies to all them that are called according to His Purpose !

This Purpose is the same one of 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

And this is the Purpose of Election Rom 9:11

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)

Lets be real about it, Election is also mentioned in the context of Rom 8:28-34

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died or was delivered up for us all, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

So the Us All that Christ was delivered up for in the context of Rom 8:34 are the Elect of God Vs 33 !
 

beloved57

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Who are the All Here Christ was delivered up for ? 2

Who are the All Here Christ was delivered up for ? 2

Theres more in the sacred text of passage Rom 8:28-34 that specifies who are the All Christ was delivered up for ! It was not all without exception, the context cannot support such a lie, and we have seen that it pertains to all them that Loved God, and them Called according to the Purpose of Election.

Well it also pertains to all them He in Vs 29 foreknew:

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Those He foreknew are also His People Rom 11:2

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

Now we know that all people without exception are those He foreknew. Jesus says plainly to some here Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

So they absolutely could not have been of those He foreknew as His People that He shall save from their sins Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Ok, His People here in Matt 1:21 are the same His People foreknew in Rom 11:2 which are the same foreknew in Rom 8:29 which are the same Us All in Rom 8:32 that He died for or was delivered up for !

So if we say He was delivered up for all without exception, hence He lied when it will be said by Him in Matt 7:23 I never knew you, because He would have to had known them to have died for them !
 

beloved57

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Who are the All Here Christ was delivered up for ? 3

Who are the All Here Christ was delivered up for ? 3

If we stay True to the context of Rom 8:28-34

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

The All Pas that Christ was delivered up for in Vs 32 was all them that He had Predestinated to be conformed to the Image of His Son !

Now all without exception have not been Predestinated to be conformed to the Image of Christ ! Many were created Vessels of Wrath, made to be destroyed as brute beast Rom 9:22

What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

2 Pet 2:12

12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

The word made here is the greek word gennaó:

I beget (of the male), (of the female) I bring forth, give birth to.

properly, beget (procreate a descendant), produce offspring; (passive) be born, "begotten."

So they were born to be destroyed, to perish in their unrighteousness , as the Seed of the Serpent, his offspring !

God never purposed that the seed of the serpent should be conformed to the Image of Christ Gen 3:14-15

14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed[Offspring] and her seed[Offspring]; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Jesus the Seed of the Woman was not delivered up for, did not die for, the Offspring of the Serpent who are born into this world as brute beast to be destroyed 2 Pet 2:12

12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
 

beloved57

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Did Christ die for the sin of unbelief ?4

Did Christ die for the sin of unbelief ?4

Did Christ die for our unbelief if He indeed died for us ? The answer is Yes, for thats the primary sin of the World Jn 1:29 that constitued us as sinners in the first place Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience[unbelief] many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

It was an evil heart of unbelief that departed from the Living God Heb 3:12

12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

This evil is described in Isa 53:6

6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

It was the sin of going astray, and this means , made to err, having been seduced or deceived: Remember how Paul wrote about what satan did to Eve 2 Cor 11:3

3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Eves sin was the actual Transgression 1 Tim 2:14

14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

So the going astray out of the right way, was merely a symptom of a evil heart of unbelief, departing from the Living God;

But notice must be taken, the Prophet stated that this Iniquity of us all was laid upon Christ, Isa 53:6

6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

That iniquity of us all was our going astray with an evil heart of unbelief , departing from the living God Heb 3:12,13

12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

Yet Christ died for it, He had to since the iniquity of it was laid upon Him by the Lord God:

The conclusion therefore is if any whom He died for go to hell for their sins in unbelief as Per Jn 8:24, then they are being punished Twice for their evil heart of unbelief, once in their Surety Shepherd and now again in themselves, which makes God unjust, and also makes Christ death for them of no avail, because their sin of unbelief still condemnard them to hell ! The Death of Christ heals our backsliding Hos 14:4

I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely: for mine anger is turned away from him.

What turned away Gods anger and or wrath ? It was the Blood of Christ !

1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Unbelief in the Elect has been healed, forgiven for Christ's Sake !
 

Nanja

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Part 1 #1589
Many in false religion tell us that Christ did not die for the sin of unbelief, but that is false witnessing.



Part 2 #1597
The word unbelief here is rendered disobedience apeitheia meaning also obstinacy, opposition to the Divine Will, and thats unbelief, and what is the sin Adam and Eve were first guilty of in eating of that Tree that God said not to eat from.

So again, to say Christ did not die for that sin of unbelief, is to say that Christ did not die for the very first sin man committed in Adam, which would totally contradict Rom 5:15-16


Part 3 #1598
In the beginning the First Parents of God's Elect, Adam and Eve fell victim to a Evil heart of Unbelief liken to what the writer here points out Heb 3:12

12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

You see that ? Apostasy is the symptom of an evil heart of unbelief, which Apostacy the Elect first committed in Adam and Eve. Eve disbelieved the True and Living God who had Created them and
Blessed them, and believed the father of lies, the devil, which constituted a departing from God
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Did Christ die for our unbelief if He indeed died for us ? The answer is Yes, for thats the primary sin of the World Jn 1:29 that constitued us as sinners in the first place Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience[unbelief] many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

It was an evil heart of unbelief that departed from the Living God Heb 3:12

12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

This evil is described in Isa 53:6

6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

It was the sin of going astray, and this means , made to err, having been seduced or deceived: Remember how Paul wrote about what satan did to Eve 2 Cor 11:3

3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Eves sin was the actual Transgression 1 Tim 2:14

14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

So the going astray out of the right way, was merely a symptom of a evil heart of unbelief, departing from the Living God;

But notice must be taken, the Prophet stated that this Iniquity of us all was laid upon Christ, Isa 53:6

6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

That iniquity of us all was our going astray with an evil heart of unbelief , departing from the living God Heb 3:12,13

12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.

Yet Christ died for it, He had to since the iniquity of it was laid upon Him by the Lord God:

The conclusion therefore is if any whom He died for go to hell for their sins in unbelief as Per Jn 8:24, then they are being punished Twice for their evil heart of unbelief, once in their Surety Shepherd and now again in themselves, which makes God unjust, and also makes Christ death for them of no avail, because their sin of unbelief still condemnard them to hell ! The Death of Christ heals our backsliding Hos 14:4

I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely: for mine anger is turned away from him.

What turned away Gods anger and or wrath ? It was the Blood of Christ !

1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Unbelief in the Elect has been healed, forgiven for Christ's Sake !


Amen to all 4 parts!

Any religion that would undermine Christ's Perfect Atonement for His Elect Sheep in any way,
such as requiring that a person perform some work or action to render his salvation effective,
is undoubtedly antichrist.

The Elect of God, Christ's People He came to Save Mat. 1:21; they were made Righteous because
all their sins, no exception, were imputed to Him Is. 53:6, their Covenant Head and Surety Heb. 7:22.

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beloved57

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Part 1 #1589
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Part 2 #1597



Part 3 #1598







Amen to all 4 parts!

Any religion that would undermine Christ's Perfect Atonement for His Elect Sheep in any way,
such as requiring that a person perform some work or action to render his salvation effective,
is undoubtedly antichrist.

The Elect of God, Christ's People He came to Save Mat. 1:21; they were made Righteous because
all their sins, no exception, were imputed to Him Is. 53:6, their Covenant Head and Surety Heb. 7:22.

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Yes, to say that the sin of unbelief was not included in Christ death for our sins , you are saying that He didn't die for the very first sin of man in Adam! That's a lie!
 

beloved57

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Who is it that shall hear the Truth of Jesus ?

Who is it that shall hear the Truth of Jesus ?

Jn 18:37

37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

Remember also that Paul wrote about speaking the Truth as it is Christ Jesus Eph 4:21

21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:

Now the Apostles Doctrine of the Gospel is no less than a extension of the Truth that Jesus bear witness to, remember how the book of Acts began with this comment Acts 1:1

The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,

What Jesus taught and His Apostles was the Truth ! But now Jesus informs us exactly who it is that shall hear His Voice of Truth that He shall bear witness to:

"Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice"

Question is, what does it mean to be of the Truth ? Jesus once said this Jn 17:17

17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Gods word is the Truth ! Now Peter writes in 1 Pet 1:22-23

22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

What Jesus means therefore, everyone Born of that incorruptible seed, the Word of God heareth my Voice ! And in essence this is a Spiritual Birth and its akin to being born of God 1 Jn 3:9;4:7;5:1,4,18;Jn 1:13 or being born of the Spirit Jn 3:6,8.

James wrote of those brought forth by the Word of Truth James 1:18

18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

The Apostle John made a similar statement to that which Jesus made here 1 Jn 4:6

6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

He that is not of God, will not hear us the Apostle says ! And Jesus says again Jn 8:47

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Being of the Truth is being born of the Spirit and of the Truth, they go hand and hand, and in any case its only when we are in that condition, of being born of God, can we hear Christ's Voice of Truth !
 

beloved57

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What is it to deny Christ before men?

What is it to deny Christ before men?

Matt 10:33

33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

This question could be answered in a multitude of ways, men can deny Christ by denying His Godhead, His Deity as God/Man , His Oneness in the Divine Nature, making Him God of very God; But yet a more subtle way that Christ is denied before men, even by those who confess His Deity, and that's by their denying the Saving efficacy of His Redemptive life and death, giving them no saving effects unless its assisted by the actions of men, and without their own actions, it will fail to produce Saving results !

Its a denial of Christ when we say that any of those Christ died for, as in He died for their sins 1 Cor 15:3, its a denying of Christ to say of any one of them, that they can or shall die in their sins in Unbelief Jn 8:24 !
 

beloved57

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Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin !

Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin !

Jn 8:34

Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

This applies to all men without exception by nature, we are servants to sin, in unbelief ! All men are sold under unbelief/sin Rom 11:32

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

That word concluded can also denote enslaved or imprisoned in unbelief !

Rom 7:14

For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

The carnal person, those never born again are sold under sin ! The word sold means:

I sell; pass: I am a slave to, am devoted to.

And its in the perfect tense in the greek, and this applies to the carnal saved or lost, that which is carnal is permanently once for all sold under sin !

Paul was speaking as a saved person, but still in this body of flesh ! Now if a saved person, while in the body of flesh is sold under sin, how much more one who never has been born again ?

Speaking of all men by nature Paul writes Rom 3:9

What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

The NIV captures the meaning of under sin:

What shall we conclude then? Do we have any advantage? Not at all! For we have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under the power of sin.

Under the power of unbelief ! Thats why Jesus said the Holy Spirit would convict the world of sin, meaning unbelief Jn 16:8-9

And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

and the sin in question is mentioned in Vs 9

Of sin, because they believe not on me;

Now heres the issue, many in false religion today teach that man by nature, as a slave to sin under the power of unbelief/sin, they teach man has a freewill to savingly believe on Christ, hence in total denial of the fact that has been established by the testimony of scripture, that the natural carnal man is a slave to sin , hence a slave to unbelief !

When ignorant men teach this, they are in essence saying in contradiction to scripture, i was not a servant of sin and unbelief, i exercised my own freewill to overcome the power of sin and believed savingly upon the Lord Jesus Christ, their freewill overcoming the power of sin !

True Believers understand that, it was Christ that set them free from the power of sin and unbelief , He gets the Credit ! Jn 8:34-36

34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Made free from what?

release from bondage; (figuratively) to remove the restrictions of sin (darkness) because delivered by God in true spiritual liberty


Christ makes those He died for free from the darkness of sin and unbelief !
 

Nanja

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Jn 8:34

Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

This applies to all men without exception by nature, we are servants to sin, in unbelief ! All men are sold under unbelief/sin Rom 11:32

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

That word concluded can also denote enslaved or imprisoned in unbelief !

Rom 7:14

For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

The carnal person, those never born again are sold under sin ! The word sold means:

I sell; pass: I am a slave to, am devoted to.

And its in the perfect tense in the greek, and this applies to the carnal saved or lost, that which is carnal is permanently once for all sold under sin !

Paul was speaking as a saved person, but still in this body of flesh ! Now if a saved person, while in the body of flesh is sold under sin, how much more one who never has been born again ?

Speaking of all men by nature Paul writes Rom 3:9

What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

The NIV captures the meaning of under sin:

What shall we conclude then? Do we have any advantage? Not at all! For we have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under the power of sin.

Under the power of unbelief ! Thats why Jesus said the Holy Spirit would convict the world of sin, meaning unbelief Jn 16:8-9

And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

and the sin in question is mentioned in Vs 9

Of sin, because they believe not on me;

Now heres the issue, many in false religion today teach that man by nature, as a slave to sin under the power of unbelief/sin, they teach man has a freewill to savingly believe on Christ, hence in total denial of the fact that has been established by the testimony of scripture, that the natural carnal man is a slave to sin , hence a slave to unbelief !

When ignorant men teach this, they are in essence saying in contradiction to scripture, i was not a servant of sin and unbelief, i exercised my own freewill to overcome the power of sin and believed savingly upon the Lord Jesus Christ, their freewill overcoming the power of sin !


True Believers understand that, it was Christ that set them free from the power of sin and unbelief , He gets the Credit ! Jn 8:34-36

34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Made free from what?

release from bondage; (figuratively) to remove the restrictions of sin (darkness) because delivered by God in true spiritual liberty


Christ makes those He died for free from the darkness of sin and unbelief !



Very true! Because they are spiritually dead, their understanding is darkened Eph. 4:18.
So in order for them to savingly believe on Christ, they must first have their Spiritual eyes opened
by the Quickening Power of the Holy Spirit, which delivers them from unbelief and spiritual blindness Acts 26:18; Col. 1:13.

So then, if a person insists that it was by his own freewill act of believing that he became saved,
then what he's actually saying is, that he delivered himself from spiritual darkness and the power of satan.

On the other hand, those Christ died for Eph. 1:4-7, they were reconciled to God, Saved from the penalty of their sins,
even before they believed, while they were enemies and unbelievers, strictly because of Christ's death for them Rom. 5:10.

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beloved57

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Very true! Because they are spiritually dead, their understanding is darkened Eph. 4:18.
So in order for them to savingly believe on Christ, they must first have their Spiritual eyes opened
by the Quickening Power of the Holy Spirit, which delivers them from unbelief and spiritual blindness Acts 26:18; Col. 1:13.

So then, if a person insists that it was by his own freewill act of believing that he became saved,
then what he's actually saying is, that he delivered himself from spiritual darkness and the power of satan.

On the other hand, those Christ died for Eph. 1:4-7, they were reconciled to God, Saved from the penalty of their sins,
even before they believed, while they were enemies and unbelievers, strictly because of Christ's death for them Rom. 5:10.

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Bless His Holy Name!
 

beloved57

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Justified by the Faith of Jesus Christ !

Justified by the Faith of Jesus Christ !

Gal 2:16

16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

This post will do at least two things, it will take away from the proud religionist his occasion for boasting, and it shall establishe the hated Gospel Truth of limited atonement !

Paul here cutting at the foundation of work Salvation/Justification by saying that a man is not Justified [before God] by the works of the law, meaning any and all conditions that man does, the word law here is without the definite article in the original, so all types of works/ laws are included. The word works, the greek word ergon:

work, task, employment; a deed, action; that which is wrought or made, a work.

a work or worker who accomplishes something. 2041 /érgon ("work") is a deed (action) that carries out (completes) an inner desire (intension, purpose).

That covers the will of man ! It covers any doing, or any behavior ! The word Law nomos:

usage, custom, law; in NT: of law in general, plur: of divine laws; of a force or influence impelling to action; of the Mosaic law; meton: of the books which contain the law, the Pentateuch, the Old Testament scriptures in general.

That covers any and all commands ! of any law whatsoever

a law or rule producing a state approved of God, i. e. by the observance of which we are approved of God,

How many in false relgion think like this ? If a man observes water baptism, they become approved before God, or if one obeys the rule or command to repent, they become approved of God based upon that rule of action ! It goes the same for the command or rule to believe the Gospel, or to Have Faith,

All these things are attempting to be Justified [before God] by works of law, commands and on and on !

Paul says, but no, a man is not Justified by his doings, but by the Faith/Faithfulness of Jesus Christ. It means that a person/persons, in lieu of anything they did, that they have been Justified, Made Righteous, for they are the same thing, or Made Right before God and with God, by the Faithfulness of Jesus Christ, a Faithfulness of His that culminates in His death upon the Cross Phil 2:8

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient/Faithful unto death, even the death of the cross.

So Jesus could say Rev 2:10

Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

And Christ's Obedience and or Faithfulness unto death, results in all for He died, are made Right, Righteous, Just, Justified before God. The same Truth is found in Rom 5:19b

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience/Faithfulness of one shall many be made righteous.

Thats exactly what Gal 2:16 says here

16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith/obedience of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Its a done deal, thats why Jesus could say in His expiring moments, this Jn 19:30

30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

All for whom He died, which are all those given to Him by the Father in Election of Grace, which had fell in Adam, they have been made Right with God, with an everlasting Righteousness !
 

Nanja

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Now for #3. There is a being saved spiritually from the power of sin. Now even those of us who by the Grace of God who were blessed to be legally saved by Purpose and the Death of Christ, legally saved from the Penalty and condemnation of Our sins, yet in actual time we are still spiritually lost in alienation from God, much like the Prodigal Son, he was Lost and dead to His Father Lk 15:24

For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

But even then, he was a Son ! By nature all the Chosen are spiritually lost, dead in trespasses and sins,but still Sons, but have no life spiritually and no fellowship with God.

For this reason the Legally saved still need to be saved from a spiritually lost state, or to be converted, and this Saving is done by the Spirit Titus 3:5

Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

And even this Spiritual Saving by the Spirit is in conjunction with and foundationed upon the Legal Saving done at the Cross !

We are Saved by the Purpose of the Father, The Purchase of the Son and the Application of the Spirit , to the Glory of God !


Perfectly stated!


What does it mean to be saved ?
Parts 1 #1609 and 2 #1610:

Excellent study, right from the scriptures,
which I would encourage everyone to read!

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