beloved57
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The question of the ages ? 3
The question of the ages ? 3
Now that is how God fits the wicked, the vessels of wrath for destruction, that is by hardening them in a life long state of disobedience, hence they are the children of disobedience, and thats all they will ever be, determined so by God Himself, appointed to disobedience like the jews 1 Pet 2:8
And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. The word appointed here is the same word used in 1 Thess 5:9
For God hath not appointed us[The Elect] to wrath[as some are], but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
Now some may say that even believers were once the children of disobedience and point to Eph 2:2, but that's false. They were once disobedient [Titus 3:3], and once walked as the children of disobedience doth walk as Per Eph 2:3
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
But that being true, they are never the children of disobedience, though by nature they are very disobedient to God their Father, and do walk according to the same spirit, the prince of the power of the air, and they are just as worthy of wrath for their vile behavior, but all that said, they are still the Children of God, the Sons of God, not the Children of disobedience. God is still there Father even while in that state, just as the prodigal son was still the beloved son of his Father while in a state unbridled alienation, for he was never truly one of those citizens he hired himself out to be one of Lk 15:15
15 And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.
Those citizens are the true children of disobedience ! But back to the point at hand, and that is God is Just in making for the purpose of eternally punishing them for their sins, that is for sin that He purposed for them to do; and it matters not if we question God's Justice for doing so, and so submit to you Paul's answer if you do Rom 9:20
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
And such as do question God for this, they do show an attitude of rebellion against the True God !
The question of the ages ? 3
Now that is how God fits the wicked, the vessels of wrath for destruction, that is by hardening them in a life long state of disobedience, hence they are the children of disobedience, and thats all they will ever be, determined so by God Himself, appointed to disobedience like the jews 1 Pet 2:8
And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. The word appointed here is the same word used in 1 Thess 5:9
For God hath not appointed us[The Elect] to wrath[as some are], but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
Now some may say that even believers were once the children of disobedience and point to Eph 2:2, but that's false. They were once disobedient [Titus 3:3], and once walked as the children of disobedience doth walk as Per Eph 2:3
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
But that being true, they are never the children of disobedience, though by nature they are very disobedient to God their Father, and do walk according to the same spirit, the prince of the power of the air, and they are just as worthy of wrath for their vile behavior, but all that said, they are still the Children of God, the Sons of God, not the Children of disobedience. God is still there Father even while in that state, just as the prodigal son was still the beloved son of his Father while in a state unbridled alienation, for he was never truly one of those citizens he hired himself out to be one of Lk 15:15
15 And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.
Those citizens are the true children of disobedience ! But back to the point at hand, and that is God is Just in making for the purpose of eternally punishing them for their sins, that is for sin that He purposed for them to do; and it matters not if we question God's Justice for doing so, and so submit to you Paul's answer if you do Rom 9:20
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
And such as do question God for this, they do show an attitude of rebellion against the True God !