Free Will
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freelight
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One of a kind.......
One of a kind.......
As long as I've been here, b57 has never put me on his iggy list,...and I lavish him with so much commentary, and still get those one line responses. I guess we're all special
One of a kind.......
As long as I've been here, b57 has never put me on his iggy list,...and I lavish him with so much commentary, and still get those one line responses. I guess we're all special
Jerry Shugart
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Once again you make your bold statements and once again you give no evidence from the Scriptures to support those statements.
Probably. But I consider it an honor because he doesn't seem like the type to consider the opposing side's argument, meaning he's a fool.
I wonder if he chose to do it, or if he was predestined to... :think: . . . :idunno:
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My jaw just dropped! God's Truth,
Your post is Gospel perfect! Amen and every word is so deeply beautiful.
# Smiling
*imitates beloved57*
You're a liar and condemned!
Oh, and where does the Bible say man has free will?
*imitation halted*
Lol
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Nang
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No, one will not repent until they are changed in heart first.
They are both benefits of salvation, but distinct doctrines with distinct application. This is the root of your error which is also the wrong teaching of the Roman Catholic Church.
Yes. Sinful souls are justified by grace alone, and sanctified souls always evidence love for God and holy obedience.
But justification never comes as a result or reward for holy obedience (sanctification). Such is impossible, for that would be forgiveness according to good works.
Amen. What I say . . .
Saving faith is not inherent in sinners. It is only imputed to the heart of man through the imputation of the righteousness of Jesus Christ, according to the will and Grace of God. Indeed, receiving faith is the purpose of being born again from above by the resurrection power of the Holy Spirit. This is the teaching of John 3:1-16
Faith is of Christ alone. It is His attribute; not the natural attribute of any man.
Saving faith is supernatural and the beliefs of atheists cannot compare.
Ephesians 2:8-9
Nang
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Amen!
I cannot tell you how glad I am that you enjoyed what I posted.
I have made so very many posts just hoping that someone will get it.
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Lol!
beloved57
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Please show me a scripture that says man has a freewill !
beloved57
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Can a man with his own freewill come to Jesus Christ Jn 6:44 ?
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Ezekiel 18:31 Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel?
Did you read that?
God says RID YOURSELVES of your OFFENCES, which means sins, and THEN God say and get a new heart and a new spirit.
That means they have to repent first of their sins.
Answer the question…why is Israel dying if they don’t have to repent to get a new heart?
I already told you to stop comparing what I say to the sinful Catholic church.
The Catholics do NOT obey God, they do what God hates.
You don’t know the scriptures.
Revelation 22:12 "Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done.
That reward is ETERNAL LIFE.
I want you to say Amen to everything and that we can be like minded.
You are not speaking what the scriptures say.
Where does our faith come from? Our faith comes from HEARING the word, see Romans 10:17. From hearing the word and being TAUGHT, Colossians 1:5, 7. From continuing in what we have been CONVINCED of, see 2 Timothy 3:14, and being PERSUADED, 2 Corinthians 5:11. In Acts 26:17 Jesus tells Paul he is sending him to the Jews and Gentiles to OPEN THEIR EYES and turn them from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God. How do you think Paul is going to open the eyes of the Jews and the Gentiles? Remember, faith comes from hearing the word, and Jesus sent Paul to preach the gospel. 1 Corinthians 1:18 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel–not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.
Paul is going to open their eyes by preaching to them.
Read what Paul says in Romans 16:25-27. Now to him who is able to ESTABLISH YOU BY MY GOSPEL AND THE PROCLAMATION OF JESUS CHRIST, according to the revelation of the mystery hidden for long ages past, but now revealed and MADE KNOWN THROUGH THE PROPHETIC WRITINGS by the command of the eternal God, SO THAT ALL NATIONS MIGHT BELIEVE AND OBEY HIM–to the only wise God be glory forever through Jesus Christ! Amen.
Paul is NOT saying faith and no obedience. Paul is saying faith and no works, such as circumcision!
Just read two more scriptures from that.
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[ Jew and Gentile Reconciled Through Christ ] Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)—
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Saying I am speaking of Judaism is uncalled for.
Why don't you pay better attention and be more careful how you judge?
Rotfl!
And... it appears you predicted the direction of more than one reply. : D
# drying eyes from laughter
It was a jab at me and it's an attempt to get you off focus. You pointed to Jesus in all certain terms.
"Yeshua said to him: “Get up! Pick up your bed and walk."
The man clearly had the option of doubting and disbelieving. He had the free will to Not Get Up and Not Pick up his Bed and Not Walk.
Another example, The only difference in the two thieves on either side of Jesus was the state of their belief on Him and sincere confession. If I am wrong... than why did the story not focus on election of one thief and reprobation of the other?
The initial move was made by Jesus towards each thief! Only one responded. If you can attach the puppet strings of pre-destination towards election on that one...
# frowny face
# "show me a verse that says..."
# unbelievable
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That is an excellent point. There are no scriptures speaking about the things Calvinists say.
Nothing that beloved57 says is in the scriptures at all.
'Imputed Righteousness' is forensic- it is something that is both evidenced and applied.
And it's applied by God, who draws the person inward.
These are basic, indisputable things that are nonetheless becoming abandoned by many churches in favor of their obsession of free will and a demand for an 'easy believist' religion.
The only thing they know about 'conviction' is convicting other people of sin, they don't undergo a conviction of their own- these are the people who consistently use their self as a measure for what should be, even though they contradict even their own selves.
Non-catholic churches have simply gone the route of the old catholic priests- they are ironically pharisaic for their easy measure, and dupe the generation behind them into lukewarm belief.
And it's applied by God, who draws the person inward.
These are basic, indisputable things that are nonetheless becoming abandoned by many churches in favor of their obsession of free will and a demand for an 'easy believist' religion.
The only thing they know about 'conviction' is convicting other people of sin, they don't undergo a conviction of their own- these are the people who consistently use their self as a measure for what should be, even though they contradict even their own selves.
Non-catholic churches have simply gone the route of the old catholic priests- they are ironically pharisaic for their easy measure, and dupe the generation behind them into lukewarm belief.