ECT Forgetful Paul

[glorydaz]

If a soul does not hear, it is because God sovereignly determines who will hear and who will not:

Isaiah 6:9-10, 43:7-13; Matthew 13:13-17; Mark 4:11-12; Luke 8:10; John 12:37-41; Acts 28:24-28; Romans 11:7-8; II Corinthians 4:3-4; Deuteronomy 29:4; Isaiah 30:21; Ezekiel 24:26

See, this is how you do it. You pick out verses, but fail to look at the who, what, where, and why. You'd make a lousy investigator, just as you make a lousy reporter. :chuckle:

 

[glorydaz]

If a soul does not hear, it is because God sovereignly determines who will hear and who will not:

Do you plan on derailing this thread? I already know you're a Calvinist.

 

[Eagles Wings]

Do you plan on derailing this thread? I already know you're a Calvinist.

-delete-

 

[Interplanner]

The Gospel is a call . . not an offer nor an option that can taken or left.

Those given ears to hear, respond to the call without fail.

Romans 8:28-30

To be even more clear, the Gospel is an event. God was in Christ, settling the debt of man's sin, and he conquered death and brought life and immortality, 2 Tim 1:9-11.

 

[glorydaz]

To be even more clear, the Gospel is an event. God was in Christ, settling the debt of man's sin, and he conquered death and brought life and immortality, 2 Tim 1:9-11.

Which takes care of the reconciliation from God's side....but we must be reconciled to God by believing (obeying the Gospel). Thus the Gospel is the Power of God unto salvation to all who believe.

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.​

 

[steko]

If a soul does not hear, it is because God sovereignly determines who will hear and who will not:

....then blames them and holds them accountable for not hearing.

 

[glorydaz]

....then blames them and holds them accountable for not hearing.

It's incredible to me that they actually believe that. :doh:

 

[Truster]

2 Timothy was written after the fall and casting away of Israel, to a people who did not qualify for Israel's covenants and promises. This is what you miss, because you study commentaries rather than the good book.

The epistles were written to Timothy and not to a people.

 

[Interplanner]

Which takes care of the reconciliation from God's side....but we must be reconciled to God by believing (obeying the Gospel). Thus the Gospel is the Power of God unto salvation to all who believe.

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.​

What is the disagreement?

Actually, you will see that this passage speaks of what God did as complete--he was in Christ and Christ the human accomplished all the things needed as a human to be its representative to God. That's how he reconciles the world to himself--apart from the world's own effort.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

What is the disagreement?

Actually, you will see that this passage speaks of what God did as complete--he was in Christ and Christ the human accomplished all the things needed as a human to be its representative to God. That's how he reconciles the world to himself--apart from the world's own effort.

I pray ye in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

 

[glorydaz]

What is the disagreement?

Actually, you will see that this passage speaks of what God did as complete--he was in Christ and Christ the human accomplished all the things needed as a human to be its representative to God. That's how he reconciles the world to himself--apart from the world's own effort.

I pray ye in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

Exactly. God reaches down and man must reach up. God doesn't just yank us up like picking a particular grape from a bowl of grapes.

 

[Nang]

Exactly. God reaches down and man must reach up. God doesn't just yank us up like picking a particular grape from a bowl of grapes.

This is quite unbiblical . . .

 

[john w]

2 Tim 1:9-12
The grace of God in Christ was given before time. It was recently revealed through the appearance of Christ.

So it was one grace and Gospel, the Gospel being the event that accomplished it, not the human-response formulas that people debate (baptisms, repentance, lordship, surrender, tongues, etc).

It was the one Gospel for which Paul had worked, and on which he based his hope. We can really extend the section to 2:10 because his Gospel is "Jesus Christ, raised from the dead, descended from David."

Paul was just forgetful and didn't remember the other gospels along the way that the 'club' champions.

Like the Luke 9:6 KJV good news/gospel of the kingdom, that Judas preached?

 

[john w]

Good post ! Somehow they are in the Roman Catholic mode they(MADist)only "see" what they want to see ,and all the rest are just little annoying facts that prove they are deceived.

Like the Luke 9:6 KJV good news/gospel of the kingdom, that Judas preached?

 

[john w]

Well, I have been taught much differently.

The purpose of the one, true Gospel, was the eternal necessity for a Savior to remedy the original sin of Adam. (Ephesians 1:4-5)

You mean "the one, true Gospel," like the Luke 9:6 KJVgood news/gospel of the kingdom, that Judas preached? Judas preached, "the eternal necessity for a Savior to remedy the original sin of Adam," did he, Endora?.

 

[DAN P]

2 Tim 1:9-12
The grace of God in Christ was given before time. It was recently revealed through the appearance of Christ.

So it was one grace and Gospel, the Gospel being the event that accomplished it, not the human-response formulas that people debate (baptisms, repentance, lordship, surrender, tongues, etc).

It was the one Gospel for which Paul had worked, and on which he based his hope. We can really extend the section to 2:10 because his Gospel is "Jesus Christ, raised from the dead, descended from David."

Paul was just forgetful and didn't remember the other gospels along the way that the 'club' champions.

Hi and you really , that the HOLY SPIRIT forgot to tell Paul what to write as in 2 Tim 3:16 ??

You have to be KIDDING ??

dan p

 

[oatmeal]

2 Tim 1:9-12
The grace of God in Christ was given before time. It was recently revealed through the appearance of Christ.

So it was one grace and Gospel, the Gospel being the event that accomplished it, not the human-response formulas that people debate (baptisms, repentance, lordship, surrender, tongues, etc).

It was the one Gospel for which Paul had worked, and on which he based his hope. We can really extend the section to 2:10 because his Gospel is "Jesus Christ, raised from the dead, descended from David."

Paul was just forgetful and didn't remember the other gospels along the way that the 'club' champions.

Most certainly, without the completed works of Christ, this age of grace could not come to pass, but God planned and foreknew and gave some foreknowledge that the anointed one would succeed as early as Genesis 3:15

Indeed, God had planned for us and for this age of grace from the beginning. This mystery was kept secret until it was the right time to reveal it. The first person on earth to whom it was revealed was the apostle Paul.

 

[Interplanner]

Most certainly, without the completed works of Christ, this age of grace could not come to pass, but God planned and foreknew and gave some foreknowledge that the anointed one would succeed as early as Genesis 3:15

Indeed, God had planned for us and for this age of grace from the beginning. This mystery was kept secret until it was the right time to reveal it. The first person on earth to whom it was revealed was the apostle Paul.

The doctrines of it are embedded in the OT though, and Peter's sermon in Acts 2 is the same unified ground as Paul in Acts 13. Remember, the mystery is not the arrival now (Paul's now), but that the things promised to Israel, all the things to be shared with all nations (Gen 12, 15), take place in the Gospel. 'In the Gospel' is where Eph 3:6 puts its weight.

It was known all through the OT that God had a mission to all nations, and that a failure could find grace in God (David, Ps 32).

 

[dodge]

2 Timothy was written after the fall and casting away of Israel, to a people who did not qualify for Israel's covenants and promises. This is what you miss, because you study commentaries rather than the good book.

This is what you miss. Based on a time frame are you saying that what Paul said is NOT true or does not mean what he says ?

2Ti 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

The gentiles were brought into the B.O.C. through a Jewish Messiah and through a promise of God before the world began;however, you dismiss the truth that Paul plainly revealed and for what purpose ?

Danger will Robertson you are deceived.

 

[Interplanner]

This is what you miss. Based on a time frame are you saying that what Paul said is NOT true or does not mean what he says ?

2Ti 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

The gentiles were brought into the B.O.C. through a Jewish Messiah and through a promise of God before the world began;however, you dismiss the truth that Paul plainly revealed and for what purpose ?

Danger will Robertson you are deceived.

STP's theology is dysfunctional because every attempt is made to keep the DNA Israel intact. The 'time-frame's' that matter to him are before DNA Israel was doing one thing or after that. It is not how the NT was written. So don't cater to him Dodge until he gets that cleared up.