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[Arsenios]

Peter specifically says "according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you".

Note that Peter does not say the wisdom given unto US.

Thank-you...

You have finally engaged the text...

So you understand that
because Peter tells us
that Paul was given wisdom by God,
apart from the Apostles
then that wisdom
is a different wisdom
than the wisdom
that was given to Peter
and to all the other Apostles...

AND...

That this DIFFERENT wisdom
constitutes a DIFFERENT Gospel
From God to the Gentiles
APART FROM
and DIFFERENT THAN
the Gospel God gave
to the Jews...

Have I got this right?

Arsenios

 

[heir]

The dispute was not about preaching two different gospels of Christ.

There are many gospels in the Bible. There is only 1 gospel of Christ and IT is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth.

Romans 1:16 KJV, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV

There is only one ever gospel of Christ and they all preached it.

Silly.

 

[Cross Reference]

Talking about yourself again, I see.

Not hardly heir-lip.

 

[patrick jane]

dear??

It's a word that loving caring people use with each other - :duh:

 

[Cross Reference]

It's a word that loving caring people use with each other - :duh:

There is no convincing evidence of that as being the case here. Gotta 'nother definition I might agree with, that might fit the occasion?

 

[brewmama]

Peter specifically says "according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you".

Note that Peter does not say the wisdom given unto US.

Because he's talking about Paul and his letters. He does not say it is different wisdom! He does not say not to listen because it's different!
That calls for another :duh:

 

[brewmama]

Silly. He literally says, be ye followers of me/ follow me. You just don't want to do what you're told.

Yet if you really followed Paul, you would be in a Greek or Middle Eastern Orthodox Church that he founded. Silly you!

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

Yet if you really followed Paul, you would be in a Greek or Middle Eastern Orthodox Church that he founded. Silly you!

:chuckle:

 

[patrick jane]

There is no convincing evidence of that as being the case here. Gotta 'nother definition I might agree with, that might fit the occasion?

nope, heir is dear to STP's heart, no occasion needed.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

nope, heir is dear to STP's heart, no occasion needed.

:up:

 

[Cross Reference]

nope, heir is dear to STP's heart, no occasion needed.

I was soon to get around to that as being the issue.

 

[andyc]

John wrote a "book" called Revelation. Can one receive the gospel thru a book or does written language not work with the gospel?

Honestly man, if what you wrote here is right then why should anyone spread the Gospel? What point is there to evangelizing?

You don't understand.
The revelation is to the heart, because that is where faith is conceived.
If you simply swallow information that a person tells you, that isn't faith.

A child may believe in father christmas, but it is not based on a personal experience in coming to know father christmas.

Paul was very adamant to explain that his gospel was not received through human persuasion. It was a total revelation to his heart, as it should be to everyone. This makes the message personal from God to the hearer.

 

[brewmama]

What way?

"Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."


The obvious answer is "Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation

Interesting though, how he says that the unlearned and unstable twist the scriptures unto their own destruction. You should ponder on that.

 

[Right Divider]

Because he's talking about Paul and his letters. He does not say it is different wisdom! He does not say not to listen because it's different!
That calls for another :duh:

It wasn't different (in the sense of being contradictory), it was additional. It was stuff that Peter and the guys did NOT know until Paul told them.

 

[Right Divider]

Yet if you really followed Paul, you would be in a Greek or Middle Eastern Orthodox Church that he founded. Silly you!

You're just as arrogant as a Romanist.

 

[glorydaz]

You're just as arrogant as a Romanist.

Yep

 

[Right Divider]

"Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."


The obvious answer is "Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation

Interesting though, how he says that the unlearned and unstable twist the scriptures unto their own destruction. You should ponder on that.

I take Paul's writings just like he writes them. You are the one that twists him.

Paul is different. Anyone with even a little discernment can see that.

The fact that Paul ALSO confirmed all of the revelation that came before HIS seems to confuse many.

 

[brewmama]

It wasn't different (in the sense of being contradictory), it was additional. It was stuff that Peter and the guys did NOT know until Paul told them.

And yet, after all these pages, y'all have given NO actual evidence of that.

Twisting the scriptures...

 

[brewmama]

You're just as arrogant as a Romanist.

Yep

I'm arrogant? :rotfl:

That's rich coming from all the name-calling and hubris exuded by you guys making up stuff out of whole cloth!

 

[musterion]

I'm arrogant? :rotfl:

That's rich coming from all the name-calling and hubris exuded by you guys making up stuff out of whole cloth!

Question, please.

What aspects of Paul's doctrine were revealed directly and exclusively to him, per his use of the word musterion?