You have no proof that I have no proof that he has no proof.
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Leftists who put their blind faith in the supposed honesty and integrity of leftist news outlets are foolish.
How much evidence can leftists ignore, disbelieve, or unjustly dismiss without examining it? A lot.
Very few prosecutors across the country show any interest in ferreting out voting fraud in spite of the overwhelming widespread evidence of voting fraud in so many election cases in the US. This prosecutor investigated cases of suspected fraud that involved hundreds of ballots in a local election, but he clearly did not investigate every ballot, focusing on only a handful of crooks and a small selection of the ballots in question. That is why voting fraud continues on such a wide scale today. Justice officials have shown a laxity towards the crime that emboldens crooks to continue their crimes.
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/ele...rest-warrant-in-west-dallas-voter-fraud-case/
NEWSELECTIONS
Prosecutors issue first arrest warrant in West Dallas voter fraud case
Miguel Hernandez, 27, of Dallas, was arrested on a charge of illegal voting, a third-degree felony.
This is an application for ballot by mail a friend gave Pat Stephens recently in Dallas. Pat is among dozens of potential victims of voter fraud this election cycle in West Dallas and Grand Prairie. (David Woo / Staff Photographer)
By Naomi Martin and Robert Wilonsky
3:31 PM on Jun 2, 2017 CDT
Authorities have issued their first arrest warrant in the Dallas County voter fraud case that roiled the May municipal elections in West Dallas and Grand Prairie, causing 700 suspicious mail-in ballots to be sequestered.
Miguel Hernandez, 27, of Dallas, is wanted on a charge of illegal voting, a third-degree felony. He is accused of visiting a woman around April 10 and collecting her blank absentee ballot, then filling it out and forging her signature on it before mailing it to the county, according to an arrest warrant affidavit.
A resident of West Dallas snapped this photo of Miguel Hernandez's driver's license in April after he showed up on her doorstep.(Pat Stephens / Pat Stephens)
Authorities say they plan to make more arrests in the case. Last month, Assistant District Attorney Andy Chatham and Elections Administrator Toni Pippins-Poole named two persons of interest in the investigation, neither of whom was Hernandez.
Prosecutor Mike Snipes, a former judge and federal attorney, said Friday afternoon that he couldn't say too much about the case, as it's ongoing.
But he did say his office had been contacted by a woman from West Dallas who "knew she'd been duped into sending out an improper ballot" and contacted the Dallas County District Attorney's Office. She was shown a lineup and identified Hernandez.
Snipes said prosecutors were "not surprised" when she pointed at him.
Investigators declined to say whether they suspect Hernandez or any others are linked to any particular candidate. But they are expecting more arrests.
"Nothing in the next week," Snipes said. "But in the next month? Probably. We're happy we've got one warrant, the investigation's proceeding, and we think we're getting close."
During the weeks leading up to the elections, dozens of senior citizens in West Dallas and Grand Prairie filed complaints saying they had received mail-in ballots that they had not requested. Some of them had also been told their mail-in ballot applications said they had been assisted by a "Jose Rodriguez," a man they didn't know.
At the district attorney's request, a judge ordered the sequestration of 700 ballots that were linked to "Jose Rodriguez," which authorities believed to be a fake name.
According to the affidavit, a voter who had complained that her application listed "Jose Rodriguez" told investigators that she had placed a blank ballot in a white envelope and put that inside a "carrier envelope," before giving it to the man who said he would "ostensibly" give it to the elections department.
When she handed her ballot over, she hadn't signed her voter signature or that anyone had assisted her, she told investigators. But authorities showed her the one that the elections office had received, which showed both lines signed.
Chatham, the prosecutor leading the investigation, said he will ask a judge to sequester all mail-in ballots for the June 10 runoff so that investigators can analyze them.
If convicted, Hernandez faces two to 10 years in prison.
This isn't Hernandez's first run-in with the law. He was convicted of two 2012 cases for possession of drugs and a 2013 case for possession of cocaine, court records show.
Hernandez surfaced as a person of interest in the investigation after Pat Stephens, 67, who lives in the Westmoreland Heights neighborhood, received a visit from a man asking for her ballot. Suspicious, she demanded to see his ID. He handed over his driver's license, and she snapped a photo on her cell phone. The name, date of birth and address on the license match that of Hernandez as listed on the arrest warrant.
"That makes me feel real good," Stephens said Friday, after hearing of the arrest warrant issued for Hernandez. "Somebody that would be defrauding senior citizens like that really needs to be locked up."
Both candidates in the West Dallas District 6 runoff for city council denied knowing Hernandez or employing him.
Council member Monica Alonzo said she was happy to hear of movement on the case. "It's important for us to be able to get information and see that justice is working," she said. "People will feel comfortable that we, as elected officials, do respond to their needs."
Her opponent, Omar Narvaez, said he'd never heard of Hernandez.
"I hope this person is caught and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law," Narvaez said.
Arthur Brain
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Oh,it's pretty easy to discern actual news and corroborate it if you aren't mired in a silly narrative to start with. Maybe you could give it a shot?
Is it easy to tell the difference between facts and lies or between openness and honesty and obstruction and cover-ups?
Let's examine the issue of widespread reports of non-citizens voting by the tens of thousands in 2020. Were those reports true? If not true then how do we know the reports are not true, because democrat candidates who appear to have won by fraud tell us no fraud occurred? Let's see how this report from the USA Today attempts to prove that tens of thousands of illegals did not vote in 2020.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...citizens-2020-election-unverified/6237115002/
FACT CHECK
fact-checking
Fact check: Claim that voting noncitizens affected 2020 election outcome is unverified
Chelsey Cox
Let's first point out that the fact-check sources in this article were all supporters of the democrat side on the issue of voting fraud.
USA TODAY
The claim: Joe Biden received extra votes in battleground states from noncitizens ...
Experts say the lawsuits will likely fail, but a public policy research firm found merit in the Trump campaign’s complaints.
An estimated 234,570 extra votes were cast by noncitizens in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nevada, North Carolina and Pennsylvania, enough to deliver a win for President-elect Joe Biden, according to a report from Just Facts Daily. The website is an extension of conservative-leaning research institute, Just Facts.
“These estimates account for just one type of election fraud, and they tend to understate it because they depend on Census surveys, which are known to undercount noncitizens,” Just Facts' James D. Agresti wrote.
The claim is similar to one put forward by the Trump campaign after the 2016 election. Trump lost the popular vote, the campaign said, because noncitizens accounted for more than 800,000 votes for then-Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton. Snopes debunked this claim in 2017.
Or, more honestly, Snopes attempted to debunk the claim just like USA Today is attempting the claim of illegals voting by this article.
Whom does the census count?
Article I, Section 2 of the Constitution mandates a count of every resident in the United States, regardless of citizenship, every 10 years to determine apportionment, or the number of congressional seats per state, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.
A 2012 report found that 1.5% of the Hispanic population was undercounted in the 2010 census, along with 2.1% of the Black population and 4.9% of the American Indian and Alaskan Native population living on reservations.
Racial minorities may have been undercounted during 2020 census collection because of the Supreme Court's ruling in favor of the Trump administration's decision to end collection a month early, according to Reuters. Demographics experts also blamed a likely drop in census participation among undocumented immigrants on the administration's bid to add a question about citizenship to the survey, per Reuters. (Though the Trump administration had sought to include a citizenship question in this year's census, the president ultimately abandoned the effort after the Supreme Court ruled against it, USA TODAY reported.)
Smoke and mirrors. So what if undocumented immigrants might have been undercounted, they still cannot legally vote.
Fact check:What's true and what's false about the 2020 election
Can noncitizens vote in U.S. elections?
Registration for voting in federal elections is reserved for U.S. citizens, according to the National Council of State Legislatures. The right to vote in local municipal or town elections has been extended to noncitizens in 11 states.
Whether voting by mail or in-person, registrants voting in a federal election supply evidence of their residence, a signature or another form of verification when submitting a ballot, according to Robert Brandon, founder of the Fair Elections Center.
"The handful of times when people try to do something, they're caught and they’re indicted. ... It’s only a handful of individuals and that’s not going to change an election," Brandon told USA TODAY about voter fraud.
Illegals are registered to vote; they send in their votes by mail, and the precinct worker checks off the names as if they are allowed to vote in national elections. That is fraud. That does nothing to refute the claim that thousands of illegals voted in the 2020 election.
Agresti argues some noncitizens manage to vote in federal elections despite preventive measures. But allegations of voter fraud by noncitizens tend to be "exaggerated or unfounded," according to a 2007 report by the Brennan Center for Justice, a center-left institute. Few people purposefully register to vote if they are knowingly ineligible.
The leftist source claims that if illegals vote they are always caught and never more than an insignificant number of illegals vote anyway. That is a lie.
"Given that the penalty (not only criminal prosecution, but deportation) is so severe, and the payoff (one incremental vote) is so minimal for any individual voter, it makes sense that extremely few non-citizens would attempt to vote, knowing that doing so is illegal," the Brennan Center observed.
Saying illegals do not vote out of fear of prosecution is a stupid lie given the history of non-prosecutions of illegal voting and the fact that tens of thousands of illegals remain registered to vote, making it all but impossible to catch them if they do vote.
A 2014 study, "Do noncitizens vote in US elections?", by Old Dominion University researchers Jesse T. Richman, Guishan A. Chattha and David C. Earnest found "very little reliable data exists concerning the frequency with which non-citizen immigrants participate in United States elections." But it did find that some noncitizens do vote. Most noncitizens who voted in the 2008 presidential election chose Barack Obama and those who voted in the 2010 midterms voted for Democrats.
A shortage or lack of data does not prove tens of thousands of illegals did not vote.
Uncovering exactly how many noncitizens may have voted for Biden would be impossible without an investigation into voter rolls, a fact Agresti acknowledged to USA TODAY.
"To confirm the results would require cross-checking 'voter rolls against other databases that contain information on citizenship status,' but some states withheld public voting data from the Trump administration 'under the guise that the data is personal,'” Agresti said.
Restrictions on access to voter data vary by state, according to the NCSL. Voter information is publicly available in Georgia and Wisconsin, but available upon request in Michigan and Nevada. In Arizona and North Carolina, political parties are provided with voter rolls and they are available at election offices for inspection. Data is accessible to the public in Pennsylvania during business hours, and voters' addresses can be provided to political parties upon request.
If data is lacking due to limited access to sources then there is no way anyone can claim tens of thousands of illegals did not vote in 2020.
@annabenedetti won't watch it. It's too convincing.Awwwww
So sorry bananahead, you can't get away with lying anymore
Awwwww
So sorry bananahead, you can't get away with lying anymore
I watched it and it's a pack of lies and slanted half-truths. In the weeks leading up to J6, I was active on a popular forum. The thread topic was QAnon, the forum moderation was partial to them, and some MAGAs openly called for violence on J6. There was no push-back against them at all.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
FBI agents and armed plain-clothed police officers were in the crowd inciting violence. We need those men investigated whether the democrats want that or not.
Oath Keepers, Three Percenters, QAnuts, MAGAs, and other rightwing nuts were in the crowd inciting violence. We need those men investigated whether the republicans want that or not.
That's right. Tucker Carlson will likely do more to ferret out the truth in two weeks that two years of lying leftist propaganda and fake show trials.
I don’t understand why only Tucker Carlson was given the videos. 40,000 hours for 1 person to wade through? What? How long would that take? Plus, this gives the dems the wonderful excuse to claim that Tucker engaged in deceitful editing. All 40,000 hours should be posted on the internet. But not on YouTube. They'll just censor anything that makes the dems look bad.
I like it because it caused democrat liars and crooks like Adam Schiff to lose control.
Mike Lindell doesn't like it because the RINO globalists who control Fox News (as per Lindell and Trump) will spin this to their advantage.
annabenedetti
like marbles on glass
I read comments calling for violence like that elsewhere as well. But like the right pretending they don't know how Fox admitted in court to knowingly broadcasting lies and conspiracies to retain viewers and advertisers, the right will also pretend they never saw comments like that in the places where MAGA congregate.
annabenedetti
like marbles on glass
I don't know what you think I should be watching, I've had that user on ignore for a long time now. But if it's a long-winded conspiracy video from a right-wing talking head, then I won't watch it for that reason alone, not because I'd find anything in those videos "too convincing."
Except we have proof that MAGAs of all stripes went to the Capitol on J6 with the explicit intention of rioting.