False Christian teachers

[OZOS]

Your posts are interesting because I usually find myself both agreeing but at the same time feeling like some of your comments need clarification. The truth of what you say really depends a lot on the context and just precisely what is being discussed. For example, you said...

"The proud man (you) compares himself with others and says "I'm not as evil as my neighbor". Again, you are the Pharisee in the temple, and God is opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble."​

In the context of your post, the context of salvation and righteousness before God, that is a true statement but it could easily be taken too far. It may well be true that someone happens to be "not as evil as their neighbor" and it would not be a sin to notice that fact nor would it be a sin to point it out, depending on why it's being pointed out.

You said in an earlier post....

"Being a homosexual is no different than being a thief, liar, adulterer, etc. when it comes to being found a sinner."​

...and again, because of the last eight words of that sentence, I agree, but holy molly can such a statement be taken to mean something that isn't true at all. All sins are not the same and homosexuality is far far worse than stealing a tic-tac from your mother's purse (or stealing any else for that matter).

Would you agree?

Also, I'm curious to know something else as well. This is off the topic so you don't have to elaborate much but what do you believe the law (i.e. the law of the land, the criminal code) should be regarding things the bible considers capital crimes (e.g. murder, rape, adultery, homosexuality, et al)?

Clete

I think you know, I'm not the most articulate person in the world. I understand what I know, but have a problem putting what I know into words, or proper sentence structures.

How we determine the law of the land, or state, city, school, business, church, home, etc., should be and must be enacted by those in authority. And, in my view, those authorities should seek God's heart, mind and will. "Love does no harm to a neighbor" But, if they don't adhere to the ordinances of God those nations, churches, homes, etc., will reap what they sow. Punishment for behavior, justice, is necessary to deter evil behavior. Love is to be without hypocrisy, abhorring what is evil, and clinging to what is good. We are to raise our voices against injustice and evil behavior, and if necessary fight to preserve justice and goodness. These things are related to an economy between men, where doing good works is profitable for ourselves and our neighbors. Yes, there are behaviors that are worse than other behaviors, and a just punishment should be enacted against those who engage in evil behavior.

However, sin and righteousness are a completely different economy, a spiritual one. The sin issue has been settled, once and for all. Men are either dead in sin, or alive in Christ. It matters not which one you are when enacting punishment or justice for your behavior in the world's economy, but it does not change who a person is in God's economy. Good or bad behavior will never make a person right or wrong with God, otherwise the cross is meaningless.

I appreciate you asking me about this. Ask or challenge my thinking all you want, I'm open to fine tuning my understanding.

 

[ok doser]

Let he who is without sin cast the first rock.
Judge not............

Secoreia Turner, eight years old, murdered in cold blood July 4, 2020.





Do you believe that Jesus doesn't want us to judge the actions of her murderer as wrong?

Do you believe that Jesus doesn't want her murderer to face justice?

 

[JudgeRightly]

So did I,

Did what?

your just a much a hypocrite as I am. You judged me first.

The difference is that I don't think it's wrong to judge. You do. Therefore I'm not a hypocrite when I judge you, but you ARE a hypocrite when you judge me, because you say "don't judge."

By the way, "you're just as much a hypocrite as I am" is called judging. Hypocrite, remove the plank from your own eye, so that you may clearly see to remove the mote from someone else's eye.

 

[keypurr]

Secoreia Turner, eight years old, murdered in cold blood July 4, 2020.

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Do you believe that Jesus doesn't want us to judge the actions of her murderer as wrong?

Do you believe that Jesus doesn't want her murderer to face justice?

I think we all sin and by the grace of God can be forgiven. In a war humans kill many is that a sin? That is not for me to say. But murder is wrong and one person should never judge. it takes a jury to decide his future, I try not to judge but we all are guilty of doing it. I an not the gate keeper to heave friend, that is a job for Jesus.

 

[JudgeRightly]

I think we all sin

Stop judging people, you hypocrite.

But murder is wrong

Don't judge, you hypocrite.

and one person should never judge.

Hypocrite!

I try not to judge

You're not doing a very good job.

but we all are guilty of doing it.

Stop judging, you hypocrite.

I am not the gate keeper to heaven friend

You sure do act like it though.

 

[Clete]

I think you know, I'm not the most articulate person in the world. I understand what I know, but have a problem putting what I know into words, or proper sentence structures.

Well, you're more articulate than you think. It's not about your ability to communicate, I think you just assume that whoever is reading your posts is intelligent enough to stay on the same page that you're on and you aren't too worried about it if they turn out to be incapable of doing so, which is perfectly fine by the way! It affords me opportunity to find rabbit trails to go down with you, which is fun to do since you aren't looking for opportunities to be offended like some of the other, more thin skinned, people around here.

How we determine the law of the land, or state, city, school, business, church, home, etc., should be and must be enacted by those in authority. And, in my view, those authorities should seek God's heart, mind and will. "Love does no harm to a neighbor" But, if they don't adhere to the ordinances of God those nations, churches, homes, etc., will reap what they sow. Punishment for behavior, justice, is necessary to deter evil behavior. Love is to be without hypocrisy, abhorring what is evil, and clinging to what is good. We are to raise our voices against injustice and evil behavior, and if necessary fight to preserve justice and goodness. These things are related to an economy between men, where doing good works is profitable for ourselves and our neighbors. Yes, there are behaviors that are worse than other behaviors, and a just punishment should be enacted against those who engage in evil behavior.

However, sin and righteousness are a completely different economy, a spiritual one. The sin issue has been settled, once and for all. Men are either dead in sin, or alive in Christ. It matters not which one you are when enacting punishment or justice for your behavior in the world's economy, but it does not change who a person is in God's economy. Good or bad behavior will never make a person right or wrong with God, otherwise the cross is meaningless.

I don't think the two are quite as unrelated as these comments would seem to suggest. If the law of the land is just, then the people prosper in every way imaginable, including spiritually. If the laws are just, the people will prosper financially, they will be safer, healthier, happier, more sociable and friendly, kinder, more merciful and kind, etc. In short, the people will be more righteous (or at the very least, less evil) and as a result there will be less resistance to the righteousness of God because their hearts won't be as hardened against all things right and just and good. As a result more people will get saved and get to spend eternity with the God who made them and who provided the means to save them from the sins they do commit.

When you have a whole segment of your population who exist without fathers in the home and as a result grow up children who have no concept of what it means to be a good father, that becomes a steep hill to climb when trying to convince them that they need to turn to their heavenly Father for salvation from sins. Sins that they likely don't even recognize as sins in the first place because the law and their resulting lives haven't taught them right from wrong. Indeed, it not only has failed to teach them right from wrong, it has taught them that wrong is right and that justice is evil!

Further, in regards to the spiritual economy, as you put it, one's sins make a difference there as well. The unsaved person who calls himself a Christian but is trusting his own righteousness to save him will not find Hell to be the same experience as Ayn Rand nor will Rand have the same experience as Ted Kennedy nor will Kennedy have the same experience as Dennis Rader (the BTK Killer). Neither will those who are saved have the same experience in Heaven. "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad." (2 Corinthians 5:10).

Now, we who are saved do not need the law because our righteousness is not of the law (any law) but of faith. The law is, however, made for the unrighteous and it is the law, God's law, that will condemn those who are not in Christ. Indeed, it is this pending condmenation that people must realize in order to know they need a savior. Wouldn't it be nice if we had a legal justice system that testified on behalf of justice to the entire society by virtue of the fact that it mirrored God's law in its statutes? Wouldn't that make it easier to get people saved?

I appreciate you asking me about this. Ask or challenge my thinking all you want, I'm open to fine tuning my understanding.

I just cannot over state the amount of appreciation I have for people such as yourself who understand the concept of iron sharpening iron!

God bless you!

Clete

 

[keypurr]

Stop judging people, you hypocrite.



Don't judge, you hypocrite.



Hypocrite!



You're not doing a very good job.



Stop judging, you hypocrite.



You sure do act like it though.

You are the one now judging, are you that stupid that you can not see what your doing?

 

[ok doser]

You are the one now judging, are you that stupid that you can not see what your doing?

:doh:

You're more than a little retarded aren't you?

 

[keypurr]

:doh:

You're more than a little retarded aren't you?

Now your judging. Vengeance is mine says the Lord.

 

[ok doser]

Now your judging.

Yes, my judging.
It tells me you're not the sharpest tool in the shed.

 

[JudgeRightly]

You are the one now judging,

Stop judging me, you hypocrite. Take a leaf out of your own book, don't judge.

are you that stupid that you can not see what your doing?

I don't think it's wrong to judge. Therefore I am not a hypocrite when I judge you. When I tell you "Don't judge me, you hypocrite," I am doing so according to YOUR standard, which is "don't judge," and not the Biblical standard, which is "don't judge, you hypocrite," and "judge with righteous judgment."

 

[JudgeRightly]

Now your judging. Vengeance is mine says the Lord.

Jesus tells us to judge. I'm going to judge. You disobey Him when you say, "don't judge," because Jesus said don't be a hypocrite when you judge, and judging someone for judging is called being a hypocrite.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Conflating morality with righteousness is evidence that you have never believed the gospel. Everyone and anyone can choose to be moral or immoral, but only those who believe the gospel can become righteous, by grace through faith. A humble person understands that ALL fall short of the glory of God and look to God's grace and mercy for salvation. The proud man (you) compares himself with others and says "I'm not as evil as my neighbor". Again, you are the Pharisee in the temple, and God is opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble.

I see that you're not at all concerned with the indoctrination of children by homosexuals. Have you been fitted for your millstone yet? Looking at your avatar picture, I'd say you wear a pencil neck small size.

 

[OZOS]

I see that you're not at all concerned with the indoctrination of children by homosexuals. Have you been fitted for your millstone yet? Looking at your avatar picture, I'd say you wear a pencil neck small size.

I believe in, and advocate for, capital punishment of anyone who participates in or approves of homosexuality / pedophilia / bestiality, or transsexuality, so your accusation is baseless. Love advocates for the sword to deter evil behavior. I suspect that you are a homosexual, a child molester, or a victim of one. Which is it?

 

[aCultureWarrior]

I believe in, and advocate for, capital punishment of anyone who participates in or approves of homosexuality / pedophilia / bestiality, or transsexuality, so your accusation is baseless. Love advocates for the sword to deter evil behavior. I suspect that you are a homosexual, a child molester, or a victim of one. Which is it?

You're an extremely sick person, I'll pray for you.

 

[OZOS]

You're an extremely sick person, I'll pray for you.

I'm not the one who tolerates child molesters and homosexuals, that would be you. Why do you hate them?

Your prayers are as worthless as your repentance.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

I'm not the one who tolerates child molesters and homosexuals, that would be you.

My 6 part thread titled "Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized" is really "tolerable" of the above isn't it?

Why do you hate them?

You just contradicted yourself. How can someone "tolerate" evil while hating it at the same time?

Your prayers are as worthless as your repentance.

Of course before God helps you, you'll have to want to help yourself. I'm not seeing that in your posts.

 

[ok doser]

I'm not the one who tolerates child molesters and homosexuals, that would be you. Why do you hate them?

Your prayers are as worthless as your repentance.

Sozo - he's trolling you. Don't rise to his bait.

 

[OZOS]

My 6 part thread titled "Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized" is really "tolerable" of the above isn't it?

Yes.

You just contradicted yourself. How can someone "tolerate" evil while hating it at the same time?

No, dummy. Learn to read. Have you "repented" from not loving your neighbor yet? Hating the behavior does not equate to hating the person. In fact, loving the person requires punishment for the behavior. Jesus died for our sins. Yes, I know, you reject that, but it is the truth, nonetheless.

"Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good."

"He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes."

You're not a very bright person, but it's understandable, given that you don't have the Spirit of God dwelling in you.

Of course before God helps you, you'll have to want to help yourself. I'm not seeing that in your posts.

Thank you, because it's not true. God helps those who can't help themselves. Read Luke 18:10-14 again.

 

[OZOS]

Sozo - he's trolling you. Don't rise to his bait.

That's okay, my friend. The more he talks, the more he exposes himself as a false teacher.