Faith and the Spirit Come By Hearing and Believing the Gospel

[Bright Raven]

So do you agree we are to do more than just believe?

Why?

Ephesians 2:8-9 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and [a]that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Nothing else is necessary. If there is more show us.

 

[God's Truth]

Why?

Ephesians 2:8-9 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and [a]that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Nothing else is necessary. If there is more show us.

That scripture is about not doing the ceremonial/purification works.

 

[Robert Pate]

Believes WHAT? That is what you are leaving out and do not understand.

The reason that salvation is by faith alone is because salvation is by Christ alone.

Jesus as our representative and substitute has done all that is necessary for our salvation.

There is nothing, absolutely nothing that you can do to make yourself acceptable to God.

Jesus has done it all and he did it perfectly. What he wants you to do now is accept what he has done for you.

 

[Bright Raven]

That scripture is about not doing the ceremonial/purification works.

That my dear is false.

It is a clear statement of the simple plan of salvation. It all originates with grace. God takes the initiative in providing it. Salvation is given to those who are utterly unworthy. The way we receive the gift of eternal life is through faith. Faith means that man takes his place as a lost guilty sinner, and receives the Lord Jesus as his only hope of salvation. True saving faith is the commitment of a person to a Person. Any idea that man can deserve or earn salvation is forever exploded by the words, and that not of yourselves. Dead people can do nothing and sinners deserve nothing but punishment. Salvation is a gift of God. A gift of course is a free and unconditional present. That is the only basis upon which God offers salvation. The gift of God is salvation by grace through faith. It is offered to people everywhere. (Believer's Bible Commentary)

 

[God's Truth]

The reason that salvation is by faith alone is because salvation is by Christ alone.

Jesus as our representative and substitute has done all that is necessary for our salvation.

There is nothing, absolutely nothing that you can do to make yourself acceptable to God.

Jesus has done it all and he did it perfectly. What he wants you to do now is accept what he has done for you.

Jesus saves us ALL ON HIS OWN, but he CHOOSES those he saves. JESUS SAYS he chooses those who obey him.

 

[God's Truth]

That my dear is false.

It is a clear statement of the simple plan of salvation. It all originates with grace. God takes the initiative in providing it. Salvation is given to those who are utterly unworthy. The way we receive the gift of eternal life is through faith. Faith means that man takes his place as a lost guilty sinner, and receives the Lord Jesus as his only hope of salvation. True saving faith is the commitment of a person to a Person. Any idea that man can deserve or earn salvation is forever exploded by the words, and that not of yourselves. Dead people can do nothing and sinners deserve nothing but punishment. Salvation is a gift of God. A gift of course is a free and unconditional present. That is the only basis upon which God offers salvation. The gift of God is salvation by grace through faith. It is offered to people everywhere. (Believer's Bible Commentary)

People who were called DEAD in their sins are the GENTILES. They were called that BECAUSE they did not CLEAN THEMSELVES.

 

[Bright Raven]

People who were called DEAD in their sins are the GENTILES. They were called that BECAUSE they did not CLEAN THEMSELVES.

Still the only clear way of salvation.

 

[God's Truth]

Still the only clear way of salvation.

The only clear way to salvation is that we do not have to CLEAN ourselves by doing something other than having faith---but that does NOT mean we do not have to obey God, or that by OBEYING WE DISQUALIFY ourselves, as you preach.

 

[Robert Pate]

The only clear way to salvation is that we do not have to CLEAN ourselves by doing something other than having faith---but that does NOT mean we do not have to obey God, or that by OBEYING WE DISQUALIFY ourselves, as you preach.

Paul said,"And you are complete in him" (Christ) Colossians 2:10.

If we are complete "In Christ" what else is required, other than faith?

 

[God's Truth]

Paul said,"And you are complete in him" (Christ) Colossians 2:10.

If we are complete "In Christ" what else is required, other than faith?

11 In Him also you were circumcised with a circumcision not performed by hand, when you threw off your sinful nature in true Christian circumcision;


That is about making the decision to DIE to pleasing your flesh, as in sinning.

 

[Robert Pate]

11 In Him also you were circumcised with a circumcision not performed by hand, when you threw off your sinful nature in true Christian circumcision;


That is about making the decision to DIE to pleasing your flesh, as in sinning.

Where does it say we can throw off our sinful nature?

You were born a sinner and you will die a sinner, Psalm 51:5. There are saved sinners and there are lost sinner, but we are all sinners, Romans 3:10.

sin is the transgression of God's holy law. If you have one angry thought towards your neighbor you have sinned.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Why does that trouble you? Are you being held accountable for someone else's faith?

Why does it bother you that your fellow posters don't believe in an "Elect system?'

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Where does it say we can throw off our sinful nature?

You were born a sinner and you will die a sinner, Psalm 51:5. There are saved sinners and there are lost sinner, but we are all sinners, Romans 3:10.

sin is the transgression of God's holy law. If you have one angry thought towards your neighbor you have sinned.

Good post Pate.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

The only clear way to salvation is that we do not have to CLEAN ourselves by doing something other than having faith---but that does NOT mean we do not have to obey God, or that by OBEYING WE DISQUALIFY ourselves, as you preach.

One does not lose the ability to sin once one is in Christ and Christ in them. Our sins were paid for on the cross. However, as long as we're in the flesh we will commit sin. We're positioned in Christ in our "Spiritual state" but still have our physical body. We become saved by hearing the Gospel and placing our faith in Christ as our Savior. Faith is the ONLY prerequisite. We must trust that the indwelling Holy Spirit will help us not to sin. However, we are weak at times because we still have a fleshly body. That's why Paul tells us; "This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh." Galations 5:16

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

The only clear way to salvation is that we do not have to CLEAN ourselves by doing something other than having faith---but that does NOT mean we do not have to obey God, or that by OBEYING WE DISQUALIFY ourselves, as you preach.

Sounds like you're trying to place words in BRs mouth?

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

The only condition for one to be saved is to believe in Jesus, John 3:18.

Yep!

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Amen, Also Romans 10:9-10

Yep!

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

GT is confused in a horrific kind of way.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

GT desires to add to the salvation process.

 

[God's Truth]

Where does it say we can throw off our sinful nature?

Colossians 2:11 In Him also you were circumcised with a circumcision not performed by hand, when you threw off your sinful nature in true Christian circumcision;