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Your question is irrelevant to the question at hand.
Every Believer Must Do Good Works and Proclaim the Gospel, Some Are Called to Teach
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Not you can, you must,
Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. (Matthew 7:19 [ESV])
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. (Matthew 7:21 [ESV])
By teaching give to the poor and feed the hungry? People that call themselves believers and reject the teaching of the necessity of doing good unto others are despicable and worse than unbelievers, and deserve what is coming against them.
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Once again you fail to understand the CONTEXT of the scripture that you blindly quote.
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You are the one that is in danger for thinking that giving to the poor and feeding the hungry will earn you salvation.
We don't do good works to earn salvation. We do good works as a result of being chosen for salvation. If you don't do good works, it's because you weren't chosen for salvation.
The context is bearing good fruit. You either bear good fruit, or you bear bad fruit. Since you reject the teaching of doing good works, then it can only be assumed that you are one of those that bears bad fruit, and can't stand to hear a teaching concerning giving to the poor and feeding the hungry, because it is not something that you do. You have deceived yourself that mere belief will save you. So foolish.
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So again, you think that it's the lucky lottery winners that get the prize.
1Tim 2:3-4 (AKJV/PCE)
(2:3) For this [is] good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; (2:4) Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
God gives everyone the chance to believe and be saved.
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Bearing fruit in the CONTEXT of the nation of Israel is NOT the same as the good works for the body of Christ. So foolish.
musterion
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RD,
I heard a pastor say that when you meet a professing Christian who, in a discussion, turns to James to say that we must have faith proved by works to be saved, you can be 100% sure that that person is not saved. Do you think that statement goes too far or is it accurate?
I heard a pastor say that when you meet a professing Christian who, in a discussion, turns to James to say that we must have faith proved by works to be saved, you can be 100% sure that that person is not saved. Do you think that statement goes too far or is it accurate?
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Works-Inside And Outside
I Jn 2:4
4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
James 2:26
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
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Matt 25:41-46
41 "Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 'for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink;
43 'I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.'
44 "Then they also will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?'
45 "Then He will answer them, saying, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.'
46 "And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Matt 25:1-12
1 "Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom.
2 "Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3 "Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them,
4 "but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5 "But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept.
6 "And at midnight a cry was heard: 'Behold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!'
7 "Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps.
8 "And the foolish said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.'
9 "But the wise answered, saying, 'No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.'
10 "And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut.
11 "Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, 'Lord, Lord, open to us!'
12 "But he answered and said, 'Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.'
1 Cor 13:1-2
1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
Gal 5:24-25
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
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xxx You need lots of works inside crucifying your emotions. You need works outside loving others and helping them. If you have no works you have a blind faith, a useless faith. Jesus condemns those who have faith without works.
I Jn 3:17-19
17 But whoever has this world's goods, and sees his brother in need, and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him?
18 My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth.
19 And by this we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before Him.
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Matt 7:24-27
24 "Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock:
25 "and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.
26 "Now everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand:
27 "and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall."
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musterion
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That sounds extremely accurate to me.
I've heard many "Bible teachers" preach from James and just about every single one them either ignores or lies about James 1:1.
Understanding the Bible in its context seems to be the rarest of things these days.
Listen, if you do not want to feed your homeless neighbor who is hungry and on the street because you don't feel like you have to, then by all means go right ahead and do whatever pleases you. We, however, will demonstrate our belief by our works by feeding the hungry and giving to the poor,
Now someone may argue, "Some people have faith; others have good deeds." But I say, "How can you show me your faith if you don't have good deeds? I will show you my faith by my good deeds." (James 2:18 [NLT])
And ignore what despicable men who call themselves believers say, that they don't need to give to the poor, for we know whats coming against them,
Whoever closes his ear to the cry of the poor will himself call out and not be answered. (Proverbs 21:13 [ESV])
Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. (Matthew 7:19 [ESV])
Epoisses
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James preached to Jews and Paul preached to Gentiles, so what! Both believing groups were in the body of Christ which you reject. Even a casual reading of James shows that he was speaking to believing Jews not unbelieving Jews!
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Are you falsely claiming that I do not think that "good works" should be done?
Once again you IGNORE the context of the scripture.
Jas 1:1 (AKJV/PCE)
(1:1) James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Without the CONTEXT, you will just be extremely confused.
That verse MEANS something. James has a TARGET audience.
So you're also one that jumps from translation to translation to find what you "want".
FYI, Matthew is also in the CONTEXT of the nation of Israel.
Good works NEVER earn salvation.
Do you beat on the tree and demand it to bare apples . Or do you give and water and the right kind of nutrients ?
You simply don't have a correct understanding of what "Faith" is as most others here . Not your fault really it's because of the mistranslation .
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Jesus condemns all those that have faith but no works.
Matt 25:41-46
41 "Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 'for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink;
43 'I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.'
44 "Then they also will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?'
45 "Then He will answer them, saying, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.'
46 "And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Epoisses
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And that target audience would have been believing Jews from the twelve tribes seeing the unbelieving Jews from the twelve tribes would not have got past the name - JESUS CHRIST!!
Did you see that formula - Dispensational unbeliever?
Believing Jews from the twelve tribes vs. unbelieving Jews from the twelve tribes.