Empty spaces in the material universe vs. empty spaces in heaven.

[VladtheDestroyer]

Job 2:1-2 seems to indicate that in the spiritual realm, every thing is not everywhere all at once. Meaning that there are empty spaces in heaven. Are these empty spaces the same as the empty spaces we perceive in the physical realm?

If so then researching these empty spaces might provide some valuable insight into our understanding of the creation event as empty space might actually be a medium that transcends into the spiritual realm. If God wanted to created distinct objects and beings in heaven or earth, would He have also needed to create something like an empty space that separates one thing from another?

 

[Derf]

Job 2:1-2 seems to indicate that in the spiritual realm, every thing is not everywhere all at once. Meaning that there are empty spaces in heaven. Are these empty spaces the same as the empty spaces we perceive in the physical realm?

And if there is spacial distinction between objects in heaven, and if space-time makes time a fourth dimension, why wouldn't we expect temporal distinction between events in heaven, i.e., God is neither spaceless nor timeless.

If so then researching these empty spaces might provide some valuable insight into our understanding of the creation event as empty space might actually be a medium that transcends into the spiritual realm. If God wanted to created distinct objects and beings in heaven or earth, would He have also needed to create something like an empty space that separates one thing from another?

We should go back to what "heaven" is and when it was created. Gen 1.

 

[VladtheDestroyer]

I agree there is time in heaven. Though I may have too many empty spaces in my head to understand what "spaceless" means.

Are there any creationist quantum physicists?

We should go back to what "heaven" is and when it was created. Gen 1.

Always a good idea!

 

[Derf]

I agree there is time in heaven. Though I may have to many empty spaces in my head to understand what "spaceless" means.

It might be just as difficult to understand as "timeless", though we are more accustomed to the latter.

Are there any creationist quantum physicists?

I'm sure there are.

Always a good idea!

 

[VladtheDestroyer]

It might be just as difficult to understand as "timeless", though we are more accustomed to the latter.

Well the main point of my OP is that in the spiritual realm, angels are not omnipresent. So what is in the space between 2 angels in heaven?

 

[Right Divider]

Well the main point of my OP is that in the spiritual realm, angels are not omnipresent. So what is in the space between 2 angels in heaven?

I think that many ideas are created without regard to whether they can really be supported by scripture or not, like the various "omni's". Sure, if we take a verse or two here and there it can be claimed. But that typically excludes many other passages that go against it.

Omnipresence is one of those types of things. There are many passages that deny that God Himself is "omnipresent" in the normal sense of that idea (that someone is always everywhere all at once).

 

[Derf]

I think that many ideas are created without regard to whether they can really be supported by scripture or not, like the various "omni's". Sure, if we take a verse or two here and there it can be claimed. But that typically excludes many other passages that go against it.

Omnipresence is one of those types of things. There are many passages that deny that God Himself is "omnipresent" in the normal sense of that idea (that someone is always everywhere all at once).

Which has no bearing on his question.

 

[Derf]

Well the main point of my OP is that in the spiritual realm, angels are not omnipresent. So what is in the space between 2 angels in heaven?

How would one even measure such a thing?

 

[VladtheDestroyer]

Which has no bearing on his question.

Right Divider is providing relevant context. I agree with his post.

How would one even measure such a thing?

Good question. If this physical realm is a simulated reality of sorts, then perhaps the most simplest and fundamental components of the physical realm might be what most closely resembles simple "non-spiritual being" components of the spiritual realm (eg. empty spaces?).

 

[Derf]

Right Divider is providing relevant context. I agree with his post.


Good question. If this physical realm is a simulated reality of sorts, then perhaps the most simplest and fundamental components of the physical realm might be what most closely resembles "non-spiritual being" components of the spiritual realm (eg. empty spaces?).

And? How does that help in your quest?

 

[VladtheDestroyer]

And? How does that help in your quest?

I have no idea. It might not mean anything or it might be something that could eventually help us understand something about the Creation, 100 years from now. We are creationists after all, aren't we?

 

[Derf]

I have no idea. It might not mean anything or it might be something that could eventually help us understand something about the Creation, 100 years from now. We are creationists after all, aren't we?

I guess I don't see the point in bringing it up at this particular time, since it is unlikely someone will be searching the archives of Theologyonline.com for such things to help explain creation better.