Empathy and Compassion for Mass Murderers, Rapists, Child Molesters
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God knows the future. We do not.
We cannot know if, in the future, such a person truly repented in such a way that God Himself forgives them. This is dangerous territory. Yes, We can punish them for their crime, that is okay. But beware of anything further, for our finite minds trapped in this timeline do not know the future that God knows.
That is right. Extremely unlikely though, but possible.
God alone knows if a repentance is real or not, and if Hitler really did repent in such a way that God forgave him, then Hitler is in heaven. And guess what, since the saints in heaven are perfected and cleansed of all bad natures, it will not bother them at all. hey will rejoice in the repentance.
Now, I am glad to bet real money that he did not.
csuguy
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I think it's definitely easier for us to emphasize and have deeper compassion for the innocent who suffered at the hands of hateful men than to emphasize and have compassion for the ones that inflicted said harm.
csuguy
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Both good verses. If you are attempting to show a conflict, however, there is none to be found. God doesn't desire the destruction of anyone, but that doesn't mean he won't do it. He has given us freewill that we might choose for ourselves through our deeds. Those who persist in doing good are rewarded with life, those who persist in doing evil are rewarded with death.
Deuteronomy 30:11-20 Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach. 12 It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask, “Who will ascend into heaven to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?” 13 Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask, “Who will cross the sea to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?” 14 No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it.
15 See, I set before you today life and prosperity, death and destruction. 16 For I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in obedience to him, and to keep his commands, decrees and laws; then you will live and increase, and the Lord your God will bless you in the land you are entering to possess.
17 But if your heart turns away and you are not obedient, and if you are drawn away to bow down to other gods and worship them, 18 I declare to you this day that you will certainly be destroyed. You will not live long in the land you are crossing the Jordan to enter and possess.
19 This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live 20 and that you may love the Lord your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him. For the Lord is your life, and he will give you many years in the land he swore to give to your fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
15 See, I set before you today life and prosperity, death and destruction. 16 For I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in obedience to him, and to keep his commands, decrees and laws; then you will live and increase, and the Lord your God will bless you in the land you are entering to possess.
17 But if your heart turns away and you are not obedient, and if you are drawn away to bow down to other gods and worship them, 18 I declare to you this day that you will certainly be destroyed. You will not live long in the land you are crossing the Jordan to enter and possess.
19 This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live 20 and that you may love the Lord your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him. For the Lord is your life, and he will give you many years in the land he swore to give to your fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Arthur Brain
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Right, in the meantime any of the victims of such despots who have been murdered and haven't repented are on their way to the same "hell" as the perpetrator. In context of that the OP is a joke.
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he who dies spiritually separated from God stays spiritually separated from God
That is ridiculous. Your response assumes that people don't repent until they know the end is near in order to save their butts. If that is your plan, then you are already doomed. That is a sin in and of itself.
Murderers, rapists, and child molesters are sinners.
Murder. They shall not inherit the kingdom of God. In 1 Corinthians 6 there is a list of sins some Christians used to do. Murder is not mentioned. Before the Law was given there was punishment by death for murder, because man is made in the image of God. With the Law of course we have the commandment against murder. Even a difference if someone kills someone else by accident. With Jesus do we have forgiveness of sins for even murder? What should our approach be toward murderers, whether we have met any or not?
Rapists. The Law has something to say against rape and rapists.
Child Molesters. Sexual sin is against God's Law. There is no specific commandment which makes this aberration difficult to deal with or classify how to deal with it. How can we break this down to what should happen, who should be convicted, if there is forgiveness of sins, etc...?
What we deserve is not always what we get. This may be good. However, I believe that it is bad. And I am thankful for forgiveness when I repent of sin, realizing what I have done.
True ... they are sinners and it will be up to God to judge them in the AFTER-life. However, in this life, our legal system’s first priority should be to protect society. My preference: the death penalty to anyone guilty of the above named crimes.
Do you believe that the death penalty in these crimes is what the Law of God requires?
Otherwise, good answer.
A murderer? Yes, if it was not an accident. If we are living according to the Law. Some say we are under grace and not under Law.
A rapist? I think it depends. I can't remember exactly how the law reads. The law of the land probably has specifics that condemn the rapist. If we are talking about God's Law, it may be that two people have sex and neither was engaged or married. They may get married with money to her father.
The child molester. This is a crime akin to murder because it involves decisions that are destructive and that are not sexual in nature, though the crime can be thought of as sexual in nature, a sex crime. Sexual immorality is not all that there is to it. Because there is a victim. It is not consensual sex that is immoral. So, should the crime be deserving of death? And, just as I have said it? Or, do I not understand its gravity?
I believe that God would want us to care for children and our neighbors enough to protect them from rapists and murders. The only way to protect the innocent is to dispose of anyone (via the death penalty) who is convicted of rape, murder or child molestation.
Okay. I am most familiar with what the Bible says about murder and rape. How do you believe in capital punishment? This is a view that many do not believe in. In my life I have been Torah Observant and at the same time said that it is not required for salvation. So I don't require that people observe the Law. But for those who don't they are guilty of breaking the Law. And is there a punishment for that? Any penalty?
See: Thread: Penalty. The existence of a penalty for breaking a law.
A child molester, like other sinners, is worthy of death. But not all sin is worthy of death! So it is confusing! Because child molesters are monsters.
Ezekiel 18:23 NASB - "Do I have any pleasure in the death of the wicked," declares the Lord GOD, "rather than that he should turn from his ways and live?
And,
in Israel,
there are sins or transgressions that when committed a person is worthy of death,
and actually the land would be rid of the evil if that were to occur.
And,
in Israel,
there are sins or transgressions that when committed a person is worthy of death,
and actually the land would be rid of the evil if that were to occur.
The man who has hated his brother is a murderer. The man who has had fantasies is a rapist and possibly a molester. Whatever a man has thought of doing he is guilty of such. Only the restraint of mercy and fear of being caught has held back many a man from ruin.
"There but for grace, go I".
"There but for grace, go I".
God judges even the thought, and by God's grace you can judge your thoughts.
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