Eliminate the NEA

Nang

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Tax dollars supporting _______________ are a total waste, and should cease.

We could probably go on and on there...

Nice try, but your response is a mere factoid that fails to distinguish between necessary spendings versus wasteful (and corrupt) expenditures.

There is NO public need, for taxpayer monies to be spent on degenerate political indulgences that are wrongly called "arts" nor are there any immediate security or prosperity purposes of such monies so spent.

They are a total waste . . . let alone being immorally and indiscrimately spent.

In fact, on this very day we belatedly learn of millions of dollars of taxpayer earnings being spent, to endorse a staged spectacle of an American President being assinated.

How does such ugliness compare with monies that should instead go to the military troops that protect our nation?
 

rocketman

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Why is it a total waste? A civilization is nothing without its Art.

Than let those amongst civilization that want to further it or promote it pay for it as well. I as a taxpayer see it as a waste as well, it is not the purpose of the government. This is a social issue that should be payed for by those that see value in it by charity or sale, not by public subsidization.
 

WizardofOz

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I'll bite. What did I try?

but your response is a mere factoid that fails to distinguish between necessary spendings versus wasteful (and corrupt) expenditures.

There are no other government agencies you would like to see either defunded or at least have their cutting cut back?

There is NO public need, for taxpayer monies to be spent on degenerate political indulgences that are wrongly called "arts" nor are there any immediate security or prosperity purposes of such monies so spent.

They are a total waste . . . let alone being immorally and indiscrimately spent.

In fact, on this very day we belatedly learn of millions of dollars of taxpayer earnings being spent, to endorse a staged spectacle of an American President being assinated.

How does such ugliness compare with monies that should instead go to the military troops that protect our nation?

I agree but why stop there? You honestly cannot think of other such agencies that should go? :think:
 

rocketman

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I agree but why stop there? You honestly cannot think of other such agencies that should go? :think:

What is being discussed is not a wasteful government agency which I whole heartedly agree many should be dissolved , this is government substation of what should be a private effort. Really if an artist cannot sell it or garner the funds from the private sector to produce their art, product, or service that they feel is art than it does not deserve to be funded. Either it has value and generate it's own revenue to exist or it is worthless except to the artist himself/herself, it is not for the government/people to support by force.
 

Nang

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What is being discussed is not a wasteful government agency which I whole heartedly agree many should be dissolved , this is government substation of what should be a private effort. Really if an artist cannot sell it or garner the funds from the private sector to produce their art, product, or service that they feel is art than it does not deserve to be funded. Either it has value and generate it's own revenue to exist or it is worthless except to the artist himself/herself, it is not for the government/people to support by force.

Exactly.

And one wonders how much private monetary support a proposed production depicting the killing of an American first family, would have garnered.

Only government grants, indiscriminately and too freely given in the blind name of "art", could provide such financing of wickedness.
 

jgarden

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Eliminate the NEA

There are several NEAs!

Nuclear Energy Agency (NEA) - a specialised agency within the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), an intergovernmental organisation

National Endowment for the Arts - an independent federal agency that funds, promotes, and strengthens the creative capacity of our communities

National Education Association - NEA offers print and digital publications that inform and engage public school educators and allies of public education.
 

Nang

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Take your pick . . .

They could probably all qualify for extinction.

But my focus is on the National Endowment for the Arts.
 

rocketman

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Exactly.

And one wonders how much private monetary support a proposed production depicting the killing of an American first family, would have garnered.

Only government grants, indiscriminately and too freely given in the blind name of "art", could provide such financing of wickedness.

The NEA has been financing filth for decades under the guise of art, if they can't sell it, and nobody is willing to buy it than it is worthless tripe which deserves to go the way of the dodo...
 

jgarden

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Acronym - Definition
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NEA National Education Association
NEA National Endowment for the Arts
NEA National Environment Agency
NEA New Enterprise Associates (VC firm)
NEA Nuclear Energy Agency
NEA Near-Earth Asteroid
NEA Bureau of Near Eastern Affairs (US Department of State)
NEA Nepal Electricity Authority
NEA Newspaper Enterprise Association
NEA National Electrification Administration
NEA New England Aquarium
NEA North East Asia
NEA Noreste Argentino (Spanish: Argentine Noth East Region)
NEA Negative Electron Affinity
NEA Nitrogen Enriched Air
NEA National Editorial Association
NEA National Economic Association
NEA National Erectors Association
NEA Noise Equivalent Angle
NEA National Energy Act of 1978
NEA New Evangelization of America
NEA Non-Explosive Actuator
NEA National Employment Association
NEA Naroff Economic Advisors
NEA Netz-Ersatz-Anlage (German)
NEA Net Earning Assets
NEA Niagara Enterprise Agency
NEA New England Anime
NEA Naval Exercise Area
NEA Not Enough Acronyms
NEA Net Expenditure Accrued
NEA Number of Enrollee Attempts (biometrics)
NEA Nelson and Albemarle Railway
NEA Nearly Everything Anonymous (12 Step Program for Recovery)
NEA Niagara Electrical Association
NEA National Energy Administration (various locations)
NEA Non-Earning Assets (finance)
 

Nang

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I knew a choreographer who was granted $2000 from the NEA many years ago, for the supposed purpose of producing one ballet work. After two years, he eventually had to present it publicly, but it was performed only partially, for he never got around to finishing what should have been at least an 8-minute piece.

He was also spotted by myself and others later in a department store picking out colorful underwear briefs, and we laughed that at least we had discovered how he spent our portion of the government largesse.

Should not be . . . I have opposed such nonsense, ever since.
 

jgarden

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The budget of the NEA National Endowment for the Arts for 2016 was $147.9 million or 0.004% of the federal budget.

Apparently the America's private sector doesn't consider funding the NEA as a waste - matching private grants bring its financial resources up to $500 million.

Given that it costs the taxpayer an additional $3 million every time Trump goes to one of his resorts over the weekend, 50 weekend get-a-ways would exceed the NEA budget!

$150 million would buy one F22 Raptor jet.
 

chair

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The NEA has been financing filth for decades under the guise of art, if they can't sell it, and nobody is willing to buy it than it is worthless tripe which deserves to go the way of the dodo...

Is your problem with the specific art being produced, or the very idea?

Government support of the arts can be very problematic, since somebody gets to decide what projects get funded and which not.
 

rocketman

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Is your problem with the specific art being produced, or the very idea?

Government support of the arts can be very problematic, since somebody gets to decide what projects get funded and which not.

Exactly, I have a problem with the government funding something that should be controlled by market forces. As I said, if you cannot sell it nor find private funding than it probably has no value. It really has no bearing on what is being produced it is the public subsidization of it that I have a problem with. I will say though that some of what is being publicly subsidized as art by the NEA is just filth, not art.
 

chair

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Exactly, I have a problem with the government funding something that should be controlled by market forces. As I said, if you cannot sell it nor find private funding than it probably has no value. It really has no bearing on what is being produced it is the public subsidization of it that I have a problem with. I will say though that some of what is being publicly subsidized as art by the NEA is just filth, not art.

I can't help suspecting that if the NEA supported the kind of art that you like, you'd take a different stance on the issue.
 
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