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This scripture would appear to support Yoḥanon-benYaʿăqov's position since it's subject is a woman rather than a man.
Does Romans 7:1-3 affirm different rules for women and men regarding adultery?
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This scripture would appear to support Yoḥanon-benYaʿăqov's position since it's subject is a woman rather than a man.
You make an excellent point. Note that Jesus directly addresses Adultry on the sermon on the mount and in the dialogue with religious hypocrites. Also, He was confronted with a freshly caught adulterous by religious hypocrites.
Indeed. Jesus did say that man reads into the law as rules and doctrines of man.
Which position do you feel is more accurate? That Jesus was confusing matters or clarifying them?
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But it begs the question - if Jesus's assertion is correct, then why isn't it explicitly affirmed in the OT?
From the 613 Mitzvot perspective, this would be true.
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Yes.
Smiling... will you leave no stone unturned? It will take some time for me to reply.
Then study the Torah we will, my good friend.
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Please do - and others too...perhaps Yoḥanon-benYaʿăqov will come back.
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Have brought this up before - is Jesus suggestion Deuteronomy 24:1 isn't God's intention - that its a compromise?
Matthew 19:3-9
Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”
“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
“Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”
Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
Deuteronomy 24:1
If a man marries a woman who becomes displeasing to him because he finds something indecent about her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce
Matthew 19:3-9
Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”
“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
“Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”
Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
Deuteronomy 24:1
If a man marries a woman who becomes displeasing to him because he finds something indecent about her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce
This is an interesting premise and Matthew 19:8 agrees with you indiscriminately.
This is the New Testament answer... Shall we take it? Or, do we continue to plunder the Old Testament for Torah answers.
Perhaps both. Each perspective would be valuable.
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"indiscriminate" isn't the right word for what you are looking for. I think 'unbiased' is more correct.
The Hebrew Bible does not treat men and women equally as fair as marriage goes. Men can have more than one wife. Wives cannot have more than one husband. The rules for adultery, as a result, differ as well.
As far as Jesus's view on divorce (note: I have not read the entire thread), it looks to me that he is taking the viewpoint of the House of Shammai as opposed to that of the House of Hillel on the topic. These were the two major schools of though among the Pharisees (and I do NOT use that term in a negative sense).
The Hebrew Bible does not treat men and women equally as fair as marriage goes. Men can have more than one wife. Wives cannot have more than one husband. The rules for adultery, as a result, differ as well.
As far as Jesus's view on divorce (note: I have not read the entire thread), it looks to me that he is taking the viewpoint of the House of Shammai as opposed to that of the House of Hillel on the topic. These were the two major schools of though among the Pharisees (and I do NOT use that term in a negative sense).
Excellent point. I will amend as such.
That's all you need to know.
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Chair,
This is refreshing! All input you have here is welcome. Clearly you are not on the "blind faith" bandwagon and have much extensive study to contribute.
I will study up on the matters you cited. But, you are right on the money for this OP. All that come as prepared as you are welcome!
Serpent Dove,
You quote much scripture well, but it is obvious that the OP author is a searcher and a person with scholarly intent. Quoting tenements of salvation is far from this OP's intent.
Way off in a beautiful field, but it isn't the correct one for this OP.
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Look for his thread on the matter, your assertion is refuted there.
Or, you can continue to bear false witness.
Or, you can continue to bear false witness.