Saying it doesn't make it so.
It's possible to write a true historical record and at the same time conceal within that text, via allegory and cryptic devices a specific secret.
No one has said otherwise.
You see the historical record and stop there, and that's because you currently lack the "eyes to see and ears to hear" that Jesus spoke of whenever he was talking allegorically in parables or otherwise.
If the text says one thing, and this secret "cryptic secret" says another, then one is true, and the other is false.
The Bible is true, at face value. Therefore your "secret message" is false, because your "secret message" says something contrary to what the Bible teaches at face value.
I pray that you will receive those eyes and ears in the fullness of time.
That's rich, coming from someone who rejects the plain reading of scripture.
The story of Noah for example contains alchemy allegory, it underpins the primary colours of the Great Work.
Saying it doesn't make it so.
Genesis (as already explained) can be BOTH a description of the creation of the world and yet simultaneously provides a description of the laboratory processes used by alchemy to create the Stone. As above, so below.
Saying it doesn't make it so.
Most of it contains allegories within it at some point.
No one has said otherwise.
It is absolutely littered with allegory.
Supra.
It's the allegories that are super important, not the historical record.
Saying it doesn't make it so.
On the contrary I am already eating the special sauce contained within which is only available to those who can critical think and dare to explore different avenues and thereby get themselves out of the religion trap and programmed indoctrination that simply blinds people and seals their minds closed.
You reject the plain reading of scripture in favor of some secret message that only you have discovered.
That makes you special, indeed. But not the good kind.
You're obviously not yet ready for the real meal,
Says the one who is lactose intolerant.
delighting instead on your mastery of the milk and meat and expending your time in intellectual word battles with people instead of devoting your time to further research.
Hypocrite.
For countless years I too was stuck in the shackles of religious indoctrination but I escaped from it simply by confronting the obvious problems with the religious propositions and their divisive psychological attempts to bludgeon people into compliance through fear tactics (some of which is still prevalent on this very forum).
Sounds like you encountered false doctrines and instead of questioning them and reevaluating your beliefs from a different perspective, you threw the baby out with the bathwater and rejected Christianity as a whole.
That's not wisdom.
The secrets become apparent only when the heart and mind are in the right state to receive them.
Maybe you should look in the mirror when you say that...
This is very similar to the fact that a person can't enter the other realm without first undergoing a transformation:
Corinthians 15
50I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
The "other realm" is called Heaven.
The "transformation" is when we who have accepted Christ as Savior receive our new bodies.
The mystery Paul mentions there is part of the gospel of grace, which was given to him by Christ.
It was, in fact, a mystery not known prior to his conversion, because God had kept it a secret.
Occam's razor, remember?
This isn't about belief or psychology. This is talking about a real physical change without which it is cosmically impossible to enter the "kingdom of god", not something to be taken lightly.
Who said to??
In the very same way, the secrets hidden within the Bible, which whether you want to believe it or not, DO VERY MUCH concern alchemy
Saying it doesn't make it so.
and The Great Work of creating and using the Philosopher's Stone (the White and Red Stones) can only be seen and understood by an open and inquiring mind that has first freed itself from religious shackles that would otherwise prevent you looking.
Occam's Razor says that we can safely reject this proposition, because it is adding complexity to what is already very simple.
It takes great humility to reach this point, the surrendering of ego and the "supposed" intellect and an acceptance that we know far less than we think we know. It also requires a mind that is capable of entertaining the prospect that religion has either outright lied to you or at the least concealed from you the true meanings of some parts of scripture.
It sounds like you're trying to convince yourself that you made the right decision, trying to rationalize a falsehood so that you can feel better about yourself.
The Bible warns us about this countless times saying:
Ezekiel - "They have eyes to see but do not see and ears to hear but do not hear,"
Luke - "“Blessed are the eyes that see what you see. For I tell you that many prophets and kings wanted to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.”"
Mark - "Then Jesus said, “Whoever has ears to hear, let them hear.”
Deuteronomy - "But to this day the Lord has not given you a mind that understands or eyes that see or ears that hear."
Revelation - "Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give that person a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to the one who receives it.
If you actually studied the Bible, like you claim, then you would have noticed that not one of these verses is from Paul.
You would have noticed that the people who aren't listening are, specifically, the children of Israel.
Yes, it can be applied generally, "he who has ears let him hear," but you can't just ignore what the verse says on its face and only focus on the general application.
You may not know or realise it (because of those shackles) that the exact same message is allegorically hidden in most of the other major works of mainstream religion. They too not only describe the same alchemical processes but they too also warn that these secrets are for those with "eyes to see" or "special understanding".
From the Quran
Surah Ar-Rum (Rome)
24. He sends down water (rain) from the sky, and therewith revives the earth
after its death. Verily, in that are indeed signs for a people who understand
This is a clear description of the basic alchemy process of fermentation in which the repeated cycle of warm vapour rising up and condensing and then falling back like rain, vivifies the dead "earth" in the bottom of the flask, thereby transforming it. But note the passage warns that this knowledge will only be seen by those who understand.
Same thing is iterated here:
Surah Az-Zumar (The Groups)
21. See you not, that Allah sends down water (rain) from the sky, and causes
it to penetrate the earth, (and then makes it to spring up) as water-springs and
afterward thereby produces crops of different colours, and afterward they wither
and you see them turn yellow, then He makes them dry and broken pieces. Verily,
in this, is a Reminder for men of understanding.
More nonsense, not worth my time refuting, except to state, plainly and clearly, that "Allah" is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He doesn't exist.
The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob does exist, and wants you to love Him.
Make no mistake here, I am not a Muslim nor follower of Islam. However as my heart and mind are freed from religious indoctrination I am free to search for the truth in numerous places and in doing so it's plain to see that the same singular secret of the Philosopher's Stone is described in numerous religious texts, scriptures and far and wide elsewhere. It sprang from a central place and went out into the whole world where it became embedded in the works of those differing civilisations and cultures.
You'll find the same message running through the Bible, the Quran, the Bhagavad Gita, in Taoism, in Rosicrucianism. It's everywhere hidden in plain sight and yet obscured from those who do not have "eyes to see and ears to hear".
Saying it doesn't make it so.
Just because there are similarities between two different religions' texts doesn't mean there's some hidden secret.
Irrellevant to the point I am making which is that they nevertheless contain within them the cryptic and allegorical references to alchemy and the Philosopher's Stone and everything to do with it. The processes for making it, the colours seen during it's preparation and the benefits the Stone bestows.
More nonsense.
They are both. The historical record, wadding, serves to conceal and hold the allegorical, cryptic secret.
The secret you claim exists does not.
The message of the Bible is that God exists, and you are not Him, and that Jesus is God, and rose from the dead, proving his divinity.
If you reject this message, then you are rejecting the truth.
That puts you at enmity with God. You should repent.
Discovering the real secrets requires both humility and great courage for it MUST by definition challenge your preconceptions and indoctrinated notions of things and no-one likes to think they may have been deceived or hoodwinked. Religious indoctrination serves to put blinkers on people such that they will never see what is right beside them.
Sounds like you've been indoctrinated into thinking the Bible is a book about alchemy.
The Truth will set you free. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to God except through Him.
They're not available to those with closed minds and whose hearts are neither ready nor courageous enough to step outside their comfy religious conditioning.
Right back at you.
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."
This is true.
It's amazing how many "Christians" gloss over this passage and gleefully think that countless billions of people have the answer and are on that narrow road.
When you reject the truth, anything that aligns with the truth seems like deceit.
Because you say so?
They are on the wide road leading to destruction.
Because you say so?
The true secret is hard to find.
The true secret is that Jesus is LORD, and that you should place your trust in Him.
If you don't do that, you will perish.
It's completely true that VERY FEW find it. Religion is one of the biggest reasons why most will never find it.
Stick to what scripture says.
Saying it doesn't make it so.
for you clearly study the Bible yourself and yet are totally oblivious to the great secrets contained within it pertaining to "life" and alchemy.
I can't be oblivious to what doesn't exist.
So it obviously takes something more than just studying the Bible for billions of people worldwide likewise study it and yet still do not have "the eyes to see and ears to hear" the hidden message.
And that's where you come in?
Sounds very sketchy.
No you can't assure me of that at all.
Yes, I can.
I can testify that BOTH the English versions and the Hebrew versions contain important words hidden via ELS coding.
And you would be wrong.
Words that are 100% alchemical terms such as "calcination", "grey wolf", "Saturn", "fount", "youth" and so on.
You sure do have a vivid imagination.
Any instance where this happens is pure coincidence.
The message of the Bible is not about alchemy.
It is remarkable that the translations contain these hidden words and that can only be via very deliberate and painstaking translation done to preserve the ELS coding or create new coding with the equivalent messaging.
Sounds like you've invented some method to try to justify your beliefs, rather than letting the scripture interpret scripture.
As above. The translators clearly did a lot of work to ensure that the translated text, historical records, still contained within them the ELS coded words.
Saying it doesn't make it so.
You've blinded yourself without even looking or trying.
Says the one who rejects what scripture says plainly.
You do not have the "eyes to see".
Supra.
Forget what you think you know. Go and look!
Right back at you.
Go back and look at the scriptures.
Read the Bible through from cover to cover, without trying to interpret its meaning or trying to find some hidden message.
Let it say what it says.
Actually it's a "corn of wheat" but also a grain or kernel depending on which translation you favour and it's irrelevant to the alchemical message being described.
Begging the question.
Again you can't see the wood for the trees. You don't have the "eyes to see".
Supra.
The passage describes the basic process of Nature and that's the process that Jesus went through and that the Stone goes through during the laboratory processes of alchemy. They are one and the same. So you're seeing the "historical record" part of the text but you're oblivious to the underlying hidden message which is the core principle of alchemy, that of "death" and "putrefaction" required in order that nature can reassemble the deconstructed mass into something new and pure.
More nonsense.
It literally has everything to do with alchemy
Saying it doesn't make it so.
and if you understood just a few grains of information about alchemy you would understand it.
"If you just understood what I'm saying, you would believe as I do!"
The problem is I understand what you're saying completely, and I reject it BECAUSE of what scripture says, not in spite of it.
I "let God be true and every man a liar."
You assume God is lying, and try to justify your own beliefs through some fantasy.
We are not the same.
In the alchemy process there are various stages of operation. Along the way one or more substances are prepared, purified, combined together to form a specific set of circumstances, substances that act as a "magnet" for the "life force", the Spiritus Mundi, the Holy Spirit in your terminology.
Alchemy only succeeds when these substances are treated properly, purified, made to decompose and putrify and thereby bring about "new fruit", a completely new substance which atrracts to itself the vital life force of all things. The passages you quote make perfect sense alchemically.
Saying they don't when you have absolutely no knowledge whatsoever of alchemy, it's processes, it's colours, smells and products is frankly just silly. The only truth you can state at this moment in time is that you don't know whether they refer to alchemy because you don't know anything about alchemy. That may change in time depending on whether you summon up the courage to step outside of your comfort zone and have the humility to concede you might need to learn something new.
All complete hogwash.
I can confidently state that the Bible is not a book about alchemy. It's not a book that contains some hidden secret message that only you've been able to uncover.
The ENTIRE BIBLE is about Christ, and what He did to save humanity from sin.