genuineoriginal
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There is a big difference between splitting the Bible up into fake dispensations and identifying what the covenants are.
Dispensationaism Proven.
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genuineoriginal
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| Dispensation In theology, one meaning of the term dispensation is as a distinctive arrangement or period in history.... |
| What Is a Bible Dispensation? In popular usage, the word dispensation often refers to a period of time. |
Well it's no wonder your definition is all messed up. You're using a Mormon site to define your terms...
Riiiiight... Because a secular web dictionary, which can be edited by anyone, is going to have a proper definition of a word used in God's word.
Did you catch that?
"In popular usage."
Meaning, it's a veiled appeal to popularity.
Why don't you just use an actual bible dictionary for the word used in scripture?
Strong's g3622
- Lexical: οἰκονομία
- Transliteration: oikonomia
- Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
- Phonetic Spelling: oy-kon-om-ee'-ah
- Definition: management of household affairs, stewardship, administration.
- Origin: From oikonomos; administration (of a household or estate); specially, a (religious) "economy".
- Usage: dispensation, stewardship.
- Translated as (count): administration (4), management (2), stewardship (2), a stewardship (1).
As RD said above, we get the word dispensation from the word οικονομια, which, literally, means "house rules" (οικος (oikos) - house, νομος (nomos) - law).
A stewardship or administration isn't a period of time.
| Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words Dispensation: primarily signifies "the management of a household or of household affairs" (oikos, "a house," nomos, "a law"); then the management or administration of the property of others, and so "a stewardship," Luk 16:2-4; elsewhere only in the Epistles of Paul, who applies it (a) to the responsibility entrusted to him of preaching the Gospel, 1Cr 9:17 (RV, "stewardship," AV, "dispensation"); (b) to the stewardship committed to him "to fulfill the Word of God," the fulfillment being the unfolding of the completion of the Divinely arranged and imparted cycle of truths which are consummated in the truth relating to the Church as the Body of Christ, Col 1:25 (RV and AV, "dispensation"); so in Eph 3:2, of the grace of God given him as a stewardship ("dispensation") in regard to the same "mystery;" (c) in Eph 1:10; 3:9, it is used of the arrangement or administration by God, by which in "the fullness of the times" (or seasons) God will sum up all things in the heavens and on earth in Christ. In Eph 3:9 some mss. have koinonia, "fellowship," for oikonomia, "dispensation." In 1Ti 1:4 oikonomia may mean either a stewardship in the sense of (a) above, or a "dispensation" in the sense of (c). The reading oikodomia, "edifying," in some mss., is not to be accepted. See STEWARDSHIP. Note: A "dispensation" is not a period or epoch (a common, but erroneous, use of the word), but a mode of dealing, an arrangement, or administration of affairs. Cp. oikonomos, "a steward," and oikonomeo, "to be a steward." |
https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/Dictionary/viewTopic.cfm?topic=VT0000766
| International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia Dispensation: dis-pen-sa'-shun: The Greek word (oikonomia) so translated signifies primarily, a stewardship, the management or disposition of affairs entrusted to one. Thus 1Co 9:17, the King James Version "A dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me," the Revised Version (British and American) "I have stewardship entrusted to me." The idea is similar in Eph 3:2 parallel Col 1:25 (the Revised Version, margin "stewardship"). In Eph 1:10 God's own working is spoken of as "dispensation." |
https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/Dictionary/viewTopic.cfm?topic=IT0002737
| Easton's Bible Dictionary Dispensation: (Gr. oikonomia, "management," "economy"). (1.) The method or scheme according to which God carries out his purposes towards men is called a dispensation. There are usually reckoned three dispensations, the Patriarchal, the Mosaic or Jewish, and the Christian. (See COVENANT, Administration of.) These were so many stages in God's unfolding of his purpose of grace toward men. The word is not found with this meaning in Scripture. (2.) A commission to preach the gospel (1Cr 9:17; Eph 1:10; 3:2; Col 1:25). Dispensations of Providence are providential events which affect men either in the way of mercy or of judgement. |
https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/Dictionary/viewTopic.cfm?topic=ET0001044
genuineoriginal
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Dispensationalism is not based on the actual bible dictionary definition for the word.
Jerry Shugart
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Almost all dispensationalists today teach that a dispensation is not itself a time period but a dispensation is in effect during a period of time.
genuineoriginal
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| Article V—The Dispensations We believe that the dispensations are stewardships by which God administers His purpose on the earth through man under varying responsibilities. We believe that the changes in the dispensational dealings of God with man depend on changed conditions or situations in which man is successively found with relation to God, and that these changes are the result of the failures of man and the judgments of God. We believe that different administrative responsibilities of this character are manifest in the biblical record, that they span the entire history of mankind, and that each ends in the failure of man under the respective test and in an ensuing judgment from God. We believe that three of these dispensations or rules of life are the subject of extended revelation in the Scriptures, viz., the dispensation of the Mosaic Law, the present dispensation of grace, and the future dispensation of the millennial kingdom. We believe that these are distinct and are not to be intermingled or confused, as they are chronologically successive. |
Do all dispensationalists believe that the Mosaic Law represents a dispensation?
The Mosaic Law was given to a single nation, the children of Israel, and not to mankind.
The so-called "dispensation" of the Mosaic Law does not fit any definition of dispensation used by dispensationalists.
Then you're arguing against a straw man, because that's biblical, fundamental dispensationalism. That's what RD and I adhere to.
genuineoriginal
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The problem is that dispensationalism, as taught by dispensationalists, is not Biblical.
Saying it doesn't make it so.
Namely?
Because you're not up against your typical dispensationalists here on TOL, as far as I and RD and several others are concerned.
genuineoriginal
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Right, Dispensationalists claim that dispensationalism is Biblical, but that does not make it so.
What do you call yourselves?
INSANE Dispensationalists or something like that?
So what in the world do you think that Paul meant when he said, "rightly dividing the word of truth"? and every other time the word "οικονομια" was used?
Yes, dispensationalism IS biblical. And I have Paul's words to prove it.
Fundamentalist. Non-denominational.
Maybe you're familiar with the term, "Mid-Acts Dispensationalism"?
Insulting us isn't going to advance your argument.
genuineoriginal
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Check out the verse in the Expanded Bible instead of the frequently misunderstood KJV.
2 Timothy 2:15 EXB 15·Make every effort [Do your best; Be diligent] to ·give [present] yourself to God as the kind of person he will approve. Be a worker who ·is not ashamed [or will not be shamed] and who ·uses the true teaching in the right way [correctly handles the true message/word of truth; or holds carefully to the true message/word of truth]. |
Every time Paul spoke about "οικονομια" was referring to the responsibility given to him regarding the gospel to the Gentiles.
You are claiming that Paul using a word that has been mistranslated as "dispensation" and misunderstood means that a doctrine based upon the misunderstanding is Biblical?
genuineoriginal
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I have heard of it.
binyamin7
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No kidding, you all have your own theology not found anywhere else. Maybe you are one of the 144,000?
Not that I have anything against the Expanded Bible, but why?
Why not just look at what the Greek says, which is MUCH closer to the original intent of the passage than anything like the Expanded Bible?
What's wrong with the KJV?
The KJV is easily understood to someone who actually applies themselves to studying it.
I use the NKJV because it's closer to the Greek manuscripts than almost anything else.
I also use the Wescott-Hort Greek texts, along with an interlinear Bible app.
Why overcomplicate things?
Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. - 2 Timothy 2:15 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Timothy2:15&version=NKJV
See, that wasn't so hard...
And the Greek:
15 σπουδασον σεαυτον δοκιμον παραστησαι τω θεω εργατην ανεπαισχυντον ορθοτομουντα τον λογον της αληθειας
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And the interlinear:
The word used for "rightly dividing" in the NKJV is the following:
| Strong's g3718 - Lexical: ὀρθοτομέω - Transliteration: orthotomeó - Part of Speech: Verb - Phonetic Spelling: or-thot-om-eh'-o - Definition: to cut straight; met: to handle correctly, teach rightly. - Origin: From a compound of orthos and the base of tomoteros, to make a straight cut, i.e. (figuratively) to dissect (expound) correctly (the divine message). - Usage: rightly divide. - Translated as (count): accurately handling (1). |
And that's what dispensationalism is, a stewardship. It's his responsibility, as it is for all Christians, to teach the Gospel of the Grace of God, as opposed to the dispensation of LAW given to Moses.
Just like I said above.
Just as those dictionaries said.
Remember, "house rules."
...Used a word that means stewardship
This is question begging.
That's what it means.
and misunderstood means that a doctrine based upon the misunderstanding is Biblical?
No.
The word "οικονμια" literally means "a stewardship."
It's a dispensing of rules and responsibilities by God to man.
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genuineoriginal
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It is easily misunderstood.
You need to study archaic definitions to understand the KJV.
You probably already know that plants are meat in the KJV, but most people don't know that.
| MEAT 1. Food in general; any thing eaten for nourishment, either by man or beast. And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb--to you it shall be for meat Genesis 1:29. |
Did I miss something?
I haven't seen anywhere in the Bible where it claims that Moses was given the "dispensation of LAW".