Cruciform
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Straw man Fallacy. The Catholic Church has never claimed any such thing, and nor have I. Get your facts straight.
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Cruciform
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Oops! See Post #101 above.
Cruciform
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Rather, an entirely accurate and compelling counterargument---unless you in fact CAN demonstrate that your favored recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect IS actually that one historic church founded by Jesus Christ himself in 33 A.D... No? Didn't think so. My prior statement, therefore, stands exactly as posted.
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Cruciform
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No, it doesn't. The messiah did not start a synagogue, and he would have merely started a new form of Israelite religion. Tradition was always a written thing with the Israelites. Your recent oral traditions are false, weak, and don't persuade.
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HisServant
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Your church was founded in 1054 or 314.. dependng on ones view of history... so your statement was laughable.
Jesus most certainly did not found Roman Catholicism in 33 AD... so you lose.
It was Romans that killed him... Romans that are under a curse for all eternity.... you are cursed... its obvious to everyone.
HisServant
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Mostly the Orthodox Churches.... Roman Catholics were the minority... It was even presided over by a bishop from the west
1000 from the east
and
800 from the west
it was a long trip from the west
but
you were suggesting there was no church before constantine
HisServant
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I'm suggesting that the eastern orthodox churches are the churches that Jesus and the Apostles started.... Rome has no claim to primacy or even being an apostolic church.
Your church started when it decided to break off from it.
WHY DO YOU CATHOLICS KEEP TRYING TO PUSH THIS STUFF ON REAL CHRISTIANS ?:duh:
IT IS JUST A PICTURE OF SOME OLD GUY IN A RED DRESS.each:
So what, who is he and why should we listen to him.:nono::nono:
we at least try to tell the truth about the pope
HisServant
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Nope... my posts are consistent.
including peter in babylon?
HisServant
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Yup.. that is where he went.
do you realize what that does to your credibility?
HisServant
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Why should stating a fact hurt my credibility?
SaulToPaul 2
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Chrys cooks up more harebrained theories than anyone, and he is talking about credibility?
brewmama
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They were all one church for at least 1000 years. Rome is certainly apostolic.
HisServant
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Not after it broke off from its brothers who could keep it in check... it went rogue and now has no apostolic peers whom should guide it.
Apostolic != unbroken line of supreme potentates. (although Romes supposed line of succession has lots of breaks in it)